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Looking for Collosal 15x Artifact builds. (cloak)
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 Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:25 pm Posts: 58 
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 Hewwo pleese.
I am taltariman and I heard you make Colossal plasma artifact pwanet now. Can anyone tell me beuild of one? So it as many cwoak and cant be fwound? |
| Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:07 pm |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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what is everyones obsession with a colossal arti plasma, its going to take you at least twice as long to work on that one planet as it would to uplift two very massive oceans which generally have pretty decent arti production to start at.
as for cloaking, learn to use the SEARCH function of the forums, there are numerous threads on how to do it with minimal structures. also try learning how to spell, it helps get your message across. spell check comes in handy if English isn't your first language. _________________  This is my dog, Icarium, It was a very windy day. Leader of Icariums Fate, level 6 base  |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:34 am |
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 Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:40 am Posts: 2812 Location: Just go north, and keep on going.
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icarium81 wrote: what is everyones obsession with a colossal arti plasma, its going to take you at least twice as long to work on that one planet as it would to uplift two very massive oceans which generally have pretty decent arti production to start at. as for cloaking, learn to use the SEARCH function of the forums, there are numerous threads on how to do it with minimal structures. also try learning how to spell, it helps get your message across. spell check comes in handy if English isn't your first language. Collosal Plasmas are free, and unlimited And no matter how hard you yell no one will use the search function ever. The language I'm assuming was meant to be cutesy and innocent, to try and get people to help the poster, you know, the way we used to in the Beginner's hub _________________   A Necromancer Design Senatus et Populusque Imminente |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:42 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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yes, and very massive oceans are abundant.. ive got 15 of them on scan, that extra few spaces isnt worth DOUBLE the working time.
why build ONE x15 planet when you could build two in the same time frame... the only thing that comes to mind is lack of thinking it through. _________________ This is my dog, Icarium, It was a very windy day. Leader of Icariums Fate, level 6 base |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:48 am |
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Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:40 am Posts: 2812 Location: Just go north, and keep on going.
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icarium81 wrote: yes, and very massive oceans are abundant.. ive got 15 of them on scan, that extra few spaces isnt worth DOUBLE the working time. why build ONE x15 planet when you could build two in the same time frame... the only thing that comes to mind is lack of thinking it through. Some people have time on their hands Icarium, we all aren't in as big a rush as you are, besides it's easier to put more cloak on a bigger planet _________________ A Necromancer Design Senatus et Populusque Imminente |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:54 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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you don't have to be in a rush to play smart.
_________________ This is my dog, Icarium, It was a very windy day. Leader of Icariums Fate, level 6 base |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:03 am |
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Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:40 am Posts: 2812 Location: Just go north, and keep on going.
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icarium81 wrote: you don't have to be in a rush to play smart. So by that logic, if you were willing to put in the extra time, would a collossal 15x produce more than a VM 15x _________________ A Necromancer Design Senatus et Populusque Imminente |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:39 am |
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 Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:42 am Posts: 1148
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Billik wrote: icarium81 wrote: you don't have to be in a rush to play smart. So by that logic, if you were willing to put in the extra time, would a collossal 15x produce more than a VM 15x Yes it would but not as much as two Vm 15x... _________________   |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:56 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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I'm still on my cell so ill let you do the long math but for simplicity sake lets say a x15 very massive produces 500 arti an hour and you make one a month because they all start at rich or better in arti.
so in one year you make 12 planets all pumping out 500 pts an hour. now tell me how much your gaining from those... 6000 pts an hour. OR you build x15 plasmas but you can only build 6 a year because they always start at NO arti production, but the upside is that they produce 550pts and hour, 6x550 is 3250 (did that in my head i think its right). now tell me who's producing more... I'm not going to assume an infinite play time because no one is going to play for 40 years to finally get ahead with their minuscule plasma bonus. _________________ This is my dog, Icarium, It was a very windy day. Leader of Icariums Fate, level 6 base |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:59 am |
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icarium81 wrote: I'm still on my cell so ill let you do the long math but for simplicity sake lets say a x15 very massive produces 500 arti an hour and you make one a month because they all start at rich or better in arti. so in one year you make 12 planets all pumping out 500 pts an hour. now tell me how much your gaining from those... 6000 pts an hour. OR you build x15 plasmas but you can only build 6 a year because they always start at NO arti production, but the upside is that they produce 550pts and hour, 6x550 is 3250 (did that in my head i think its right). I vote to split the difference. Work on making 15x colossal plasmas using terraformers and Talt ability to get the artifact equal to the research. When they are equal, 15x out your other planets starting by largest. |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:08 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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people can do it any way they wish, I'm just saying its a waste of the ability from an intelligent perspective. sure you can get a little extra cloak on a colossal, but take a look at your best planets, how are they cloaked.. mine are nearly maxed on passive (missong dark badge maxs) meta tuned jammers, ergo spheres, npc multi purpose artis.
only one of my planets has a researched cloak building on it and its the one I'm currently working on and its already at 15k cloak. and no one can argue that jammers and ergo spheres aren't in abundance. I've done the ergo sphere mission once, I've got 8 of them though. and jammers I've done 4 times but I've got 8 of them. _________________ This is my dog, Icarium, It was a very windy day. Leader of Icariums Fate, level 6 base |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:20 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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also the argument that you can use terraformers is just as dumb, you CAN make any planet good if you waste enough terraformers on it, but ill stick to using them on very massive oceans that as previously stated, are already good at producing arti points. and assuming player a and player b are getting the same number of troop carriers, player a (using my advice) is going to be reaping double the profit of player b (using plasmas and other crap planets that aren't ideal for arti production)
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| Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:38 am |
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 Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:43 pm Posts: 2110
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I've never scanned a Very Massive Oceanic, only Massive (which are their largest natural size).
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| Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:36 pm |
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 Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:05 am Posts: 2794
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Icarium, chill.
Arti plasmas do not take twice as long, they take about 40% longer. And since most people making them are NPCing this 40% longer is about 2 days of NPCing longer. They don't make twice as much as a VM 15x but they do make about 30% more. And they take 1 less planet slot... The extra space makes them much easier to cloak. Did I mention that most cloaking structures will slap on some research for your 17x plasma? Now for the OP You want to max the passive cloak on the planet with one of the following, both make passive 3892 Interspacial Fold Generator (Uses Left: 25) + Magnetosphere Charger (Uses Left: 4) Interspacial Fold Generator (Uses Left: 28) + Magnetosphere Charger (Uses Left: 3) Then just start throwing on the best cloaking artifacts you have available to you. I don't know your rank soooo you gotta figure this one out. Also make sure you are in a legion with 50+ members otherwise you will have a very hard time cloaking your planet successfully. _________________   Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee That's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:44 pm |
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Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:25 pm Posts: 58
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Tree7304 wrote: Then just start throwing on the best cloaking artifacts you have available to you. I don't know your rank soooo you gotta figure this one out. Also make sure you are in a legion with 50+ members otherwise you will have a very hard time cloaking your planet successfully. Could you give build example? I can build the biggest cloaking sattelite thing, the one for 50 aidomum. And I have many of the cloaking ones avaliable, but only one of the +10% from dark bagdes. |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:21 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:05 am Posts: 2794
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Animefan wrote: Tree7304 wrote: Then just start throwing on the best cloaking artifacts you have available to you. I don't know your rank soooo you gotta figure this one out. Also make sure you are in a legion with 50+ members otherwise you will have a very hard time cloaking your planet successfully. Could you give build example? I can build the biggest cloaking sattelite thing, the one for 50 aidomum. And I have many of the cloaking ones avaliable, but only one of the +10% from dark bagdes. I don't use the researched structures. What is your rank? _________________ Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee That's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:01 pm |
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Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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RigorMortis wrote: I've never scanned a Very Massive Oceanic, only Massive (which are their largest natural size). your having bad luck then and not trading in the forums. very large icies turn into very massive oceans for those people who are either not going to pay to play, or that have made the big mistake of wasting those 5 lovely melters. _________________ This is my dog, Icarium, It was a very windy day. Leader of Icariums Fate, level 6 base |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:21 pm |
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Animefan wrote: Could you give build example? I can build the biggest cloaking sattelite thing, the one for 50 aidomum. And I have many of the cloaking ones avaliable, but only one of the +10% from dark bagdes. Read this thread. Using non-repeatable items: Code: Quantum Accelerator Artifact: 2, Cloak: 150 Demolish Quantum Accelerator Artifact: 2, Cloak: 150 Demolish Meta-Tuned Jammer Research: 2, Cloak: 25% Demolish Inverse-Flux Satellites Cloak: 800 Demolish Inverse-Flux Satellites Cloak: 800 Demolish Inverse-Flux Satellites Cloak: 800 Demolish Hyperforge Fabricator Artifact: 12 Demolish Hyperforge Fabricator Artifact: 12 Demolish Hypergate Mining: 2, Research: 2, Artifact: 2 Demolish Zolazin Analyzer Research: 1, Artifact: 1 Demolish Zolazin Analyzer Research: 1, Artifact: 1 Demolish Trellith Comm Relay Research: 2, Artifact: 2 Demolish Isolation Bureau Mining: 2, Research: 2, Artifact: 2, Cloak: 400 Demolish Adumbrate Station Research: 1, Artifact: 1, Cloak: 200 Demolish Adumbrate Station Research: 1, Artifact: 1, Cloak: 200 Demolish Barrier Nexus Artifact: 1, Defense: 300, Defense: 20% Demolish Barrier Nexus Artifact: 1, Defense: 300, Defense: 20% Demolish Galactic Concord Station II Mining: 2, Artifact: 2, Defense: 20% Demolish HyperSensor Satellite Research: 2, Artifact: 2 Get your passive cloak to 3892, with 116% legion bonus, total Cloak: 19958 Mining 12x Mega Rich 72 units/hr Artifact 20x Mega Rich 704 units/hr Research 17x Mega Rich 203 units/hr |
| Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:44 pm |
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I don't feel like sharing with the galaxy, so I will PM you.
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| Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:25 pm |
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I usually agree with Icarium on this one. If you have/conquer some other type of Colossal, that's much more worth your while than getting a plasma from nothing. I usually keep two projects going - a VM/Colossal that I'm making 15x arti, and another that I've evened up the stats on to terraform into a 15/15/15.
That said, I am planning to Taltherian a single plasma - I have one with a stealth screen, which means it can be fully cloaked without a jammer. A colossal 20x/17x seems worth the trouble  _________________  |
| Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:00 pm |
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