ok out of curiosity
why is using CM's bad form as a way of retailing someone ( especially if they are bigger than you and it is pretty much your only form of retaliation)
i mean if someone has a bigger badder ship and its considered bad form to alert them for just badging surely you should be allowed some form of retributional pay back and 1 CM to wipe all their boosts seems rather fair to me its not spamming artifacts as you only need to use 1.

they badge me i retail with a CM its 1 action for 1 action they got something off of me i took something from them it seems to be a totally fair exchange yet peeps don't seem to see it that way its like sure you're smaller and have no way of retail so suffer and that isn't fair or should we be allowed to alert anyone thats bigger who badges ? as a fair response

Takes alot of energy to put all the buffs back on, Also repairing the damage from the Nanites costs extra $$ Alot of buffs also have a fixed value that most people would say is higher than the value of say 1-3 badages. (1 red, yellow and blue)

yeah but that is the risk you take when you go to badge someone you have to weigh risk to reward don't you if you go to badge someone you risk a form of retaliation now a lower ranked person has less options of retaliation against someone far larger so they should be allowed some form of retaliation unless of course you're advocating bullying with no recourse allowed

the CM is the lower ranks way of retailing since they obviously have a harder time of badging back ie less ranks less modules and less alround really

the battle tab makes sure people are in your weight class there is only a 50 or 60% difference in rank, (and at high rank rank is meaningless only AP matters) so I don't see the problem. I have seen low rank freeze rankers who have pretty scary ships in the less than level 100 range. With training legions for research its prety easy to get all your research up to scratch fairly quickly. so the playing field is pretty level most of the time.

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Here ya go, was a decently well discussed topic.

draxis i've seen peeps 100% my rank in My BT plenty of times i'm not a slow ranker either and when you're lower rank ie i'm rank 170 and a 240+ ranker badges you the ships for the most part are not that even as all the NPC drops and extra research do count for a lot.

at that stage the CM is the only option or do nothing because alerting is considered bad form i agree the higher the rank you are a mere 50-60 ranks is negligable and once all things are researched the playing field also evens up a bit and is then dependant on arti drops but until then it is a i'll hit you cos you can't do anything back and if you use a CM i'll screw you over #$&*@ cos you had the teremity to actually strike back and alert you to my legion to boot ,a most bullying type of attitude

exactly what buffs are you using on a regular basis that can be removed by a CM that cost "alot" of energy?

crystal >> 2
obelisk >> 5
beacon >> 10
consol >> 5
swarm >> 5
seeker >> 10
cylinder >> 5

total >> 42 energy
a wopping 42 energy for all these...

"the damage from the Nanites costs extra $$"
nano drones....

" Alot of buffs also have a fixed value that most people would say is higher than the value of say 1-3 badages."
i'm sorry but those people are sadly mistaken, you cant buy / trade badges, means their value is infinitely more than anything you can get from your hourly artifact shipments.

to respond to your question CMing people is completely acceptable, thats why they are there. In addition anyone who retailates against you for doing it saying "those buffs are worth alot", "it inconveniences me to rebuff" or something to that degree is a hypocritical butthurt idiot, because the buffs that can be removed are all easily replaceable, and first they inconvenienced you by making you repair, and taking your research, and minerals / artifacts.

Or you could do what I do, say your going for the "hidden" CM medal and laugh at all the responses you get.

By all means CM as a retaliation but you gotta understand that many players will not take that as an acceptable retaliation.
Or go for a badge back, EMPs are there for a reason and they cut a player down to your size rather quickly.

There is a very good chance they will continue to kill you over and over since you are likely an easy kill for having to use a CM to do some sort of retaliation.

You can not sit here and logically discuss what is acceptable since most reactions to a disable are purely an emotional response.

evaluation of retaliation as acceptable or not acceptable is always subjective anyway.

I do CM always a player, who attack/disable/throw debuffs on me because otherwise is not strong enough to disable/hack me. Players should know how to pick their PvP targets. Using CMs:
1) says, I am online andI retaliate so do not waste your energy OR do not try it again plus I retaliate raid(s)/hack(s)
2) shows clearly, that I prefer fair PvP fight without buffs and debuffs from artifacts (module effects I do not count, these are reward for previous activity)
I DO NOT use CM due planet attacks, prior my own PvP action or similar.

CMs exists to be used not only in "state of war" It is a great and relatively cheap way how to explain a your position very clearly.

Tree and rest of top ranks - your rank is high enough, that we are hardly gona PvP together ... and I simple prefer slow ranking

19/20 times I get hit with a CM it 10 hour after I killed someone, so it just a waste of an artifact. Even when hit with buff on I usually just rebuff and keep going, but now they are on my logs for 48 hours, so if they're a ship I killed in 3 hits, it means I get an extra few easy badges.

19/20 times - I wonder what is your BT range.

At low level i would say its bad taste energy and artifacts tend to be in short supply early on. But at later levels i say anything goes because if your both pvp ships then you should both be strong enough to take a beating and have the artifacts to rebuff quickly.

Usually a ship that cms for retaliation is either weaker than me or butthurt, or both. Either way I get badges from them for 2 days. So basically cming someone is fine since there are no rules written in stone about pvp, only panzie to panzie etiquette What cracks me up is the other day a guy I disabled not even ten minutes ago tried to disable me so I cm'd him: He continued to complain about being cm'd after an attempted disable , so just ignore everyone's made up rules about how you should play and do what you want

I don't retaliate with CM's - I just do it the old-fashioned way: attack, use nanos, attack, rinse and repeat

However, occasionally I get attacked by rank 500+ (I'm rank 368!) who use a CM before attacking me.
I mean, WTF? Are they so weak they need to debuff someone 150 ranks lower before attacking? o.O

I'm not bothering with retaliation at the moment - I'm getting my Merged Datanode maxed out first.
Once that's done, I'll retaliate if I feel like - the good old fashioned way.

ooh that's me I do that I see you on my BT all the time.

personally, i hated it when someone cm me, especially my crimson amplifier is on & running. For sure they will be on my daily sh!t list til he/she off my log