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Greetings.

Currently, I am trying to work out the most efficient building set up I can manage for very massive mining planets, based upon the structures and artifacts I have access to.

I am looking for some advice on what sort of combination I should use.

Here is the break down I have set up so far :

Name ----------------- Number used -- Size used ( each ) ------ effect ( each ) ------- size used ( total. )

Star Lifter ------------- 3 ------------- 18 --------------------- +12 min --------------- 54

Phase cutter ----------- 2 ------------- 1 ---------------------- +1 min, +100 atk -------- 2

Processing core -------- 1 ------------- 1 --------------------- +1 min, +1 art ----------- 1

Refining lab ------------ 1 ------------- 1 ---------------------- +1 min, +1 res ---------- 1

Warp Gate ------------- 1 ------------- 1 ---------------------- +1 min, +1 art, +1 res ---1

Mineral storage tower --- 4 ------------ 2 ---------------------- +2000 min storage -------8

Obviation Barrier -------- 1 ------------ 2 ----------------------- +1200 defense ---------- 2

That works out to 69 space used per structures, and gives the following stats :
( Base stats are the stats before any bonuses are added. )

Base mineral production : 41

Base research : 2

Base attack : 200

Base defense : 1200

Base storage rate : 8000 mineral storage

Note : I am thinking that I will see if I can drop one of the Star Lifters by getting the production stat high enough that I can still make over 200 minerals an hour with only 2, and then fill up the space that would normally take up with defense/attack modules.

Additional note : I don't plan on making all such planets with 4 storage towers. I'm thinking only every fourth or fifth such planet will contain the storage towers, depending on what my resource capacity looks like.

The space they would take up on other planets shall feature Obviation Barriers in their place.

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Those storages need their own planet with way way way more def.

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Those storages need their own planet with way way way more def.


So get a decent sized planet, load it up with storage, and then make all the other structures defense?

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Those storages need their own planet with way way way more def.


So get a decent sized planet, load it up with storage, and then make all the other structures defense?


Yes.


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KJReed wrote:
Those storages need their own planet with way way way more def.


Say.... A massive planet, 5 mineral storage, 5 artifact storage, 1 research storage, 1 extra stat item that uses 1 space, and 20 Obviation barriers?

That would give me 10,000 mineral storage, 10,000 artifact storage, 4000 research storage, and 24,000 defense, on top of the planet bonuses and passive stats I could wrack up....

Interesting...

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KJReed wrote:
Those storages need their own planet with way way way more def.


Say.... A massive planet, 5 mineral storage, 5 artifact storage, 1 research storage, 1 extra stat item that uses 1 space, and 20 Obviation barriers?

That would give me 10,000 mineral storage, 10,000 artifact storage, 4000 research storage, and 24,000 defense, on top of the planet bonuses and passive stats I could wrack up....

Interesting...


Should I have any attack structures, or just go pure defense?

What about cloak? Is that worth considering?

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Kinda. But I'd use a colosaal unscanned plasma. And cloak would be goodtoo.

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Kinda. But I'd use a colosaal unscanned plasma. And cloak would be goodtoo.


Assuming Plasmas are available to him, yes this is the way to go. I'm a bit surprised Ferrus would advocate Defense rather than Cloak.

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Kinda. But I'd use a colosaal unscanned plasma. And cloak would be goodtoo.


Assuming Plasmas are available to him, yes this is the way to go. I'm a bit surprised Ferrus would advocate Defense rather than Cloak.


At the moment, plasmas aren't available to me. I do have plenty of massive and very massive gas planets, just don't have the tech required to make the items to turn them into plasmas. :-/

My personal opinion is that defense is the way to go, due to the fact that for 40 space I can get 24000 defense, while for the same amount of space I can only get 4250 cloak seems kind of.... yeah.

But, then again, I'm not the most knowledgeable about the game. :-P

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KJReed wrote:
Kinda. But I'd use a colosaal unscanned plasma. And cloak would be goodtoo.


Assuming Plasmas are available to him, yes this is the way to go. I'm a bit surprised Ferrus would advocate Defense rather than Cloak.


At the moment, plasmas aren't available to me. I do have plenty of massive and very massive gas planets, just don't have the tech required to make the items to turn them into plasmas. :-/

My personal opinion is that defense is the way to go, due to the fact that for 40 space I can get 24000 defense, while for the same amount of space I can only get 4250 cloak seems kind of.... yeah.

But, then again, I'm not the most knowledgeable about the game. :-P


Yeah, that's definitely quite a bit of defense, should be good.


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I'll assume you are not ranked high enough to see Lazuli Fabrication Plants yet. With the drops from those plus a couple Magnetosphere Chargers from the Battle Market, you can get 3892 (?) Passive cloak. Coupled with a variety of artifact structures you should be able to easily reach 25k cloak after Legion Bonus. A lot of this is moot though, if you're not ranked high enough to see some of the NPCs or you have an incomplete CT lab. 24k Defense is impressive. Until you get to about rank 500 and have a legion full of other midrank players (with a few ZolSabs). For higher rank players, 24k Defense is like putting one of those little lath board garden fences up to keep an elephant out of your yard.

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I'll assume you are not ranked high enough to see Lazuli Fabrication Plants yet. With the drops from those plus a couple Magnetosphere Chargers from the Battle Market, you can get 3892 (?) Passive cloak. Coupled with a variety of artifact structures you should be able to easily reach 25k cloak after Legion Bonus. A lot of this is moot though, if you're not ranked high enough to see some of the NPCs or you have an incomplete CT lab. 24k Defense is impressive. Until you get to about rank 500 and have a legion full of other midrank players (with a few ZolSabs). For higher rank players, 24k Defense is like putting one of those little lath board garden fences up to keep an elephant out of your yard.


*Laughs* I'm actually a lot higher rank than you'd think, just made a *lot* of , often times very stupid, mistakes in just about every aspect of the game up until fairly recently, and am now trying to work on ironing them out and finally actually learning about the game. :-P

And yes, I can see fabrication plants. :-)

Just don't find them often, because my specks for NPCing are.... rather crappy. Talking major league crappy. :-/

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Darth Flagitious wrote:
I'll assume you are not ranked high enough to see Lazuli Fabrication Plants yet. With the drops from those plus a couple Magnetosphere Chargers from the Battle Market, you can get 3892 (?) Passive cloak. Coupled with a variety of artifact structures you should be able to easily reach 25k cloak after Legion Bonus. A lot of this is moot though, if you're not ranked high enough to see some of the NPCs or you have an incomplete CT lab. 24k Defense is impressive. Until you get to about rank 500 and have a legion full of other midrank players (with a few ZolSabs). For higher rank players, 24k Defense is like putting one of those little lath board garden fences up to keep an elephant out of your yard.


*Laughs* I'm actually a lot higher rank than you'd think, just made a *lot* of , often times very stupid, mistakes in just about every aspect of the game up until fairly recently, and am now trying to work on ironing them out and finally actually learning about the game. :-P

And yes, I can see fabrication plants. :-)

Just don't find them often, because my specks for NPCing are.... rather crappy. Talking major league crappy. :-/

What's your NPC Kill count?

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What's your NPC Kill count?


1932.

Most of those have been in the last 15 - 20 levels.

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I would suggest you work on getting your Max Energy to 12xRank so that you can autorank off NPCs.

That'll allow you to build VL 15-16x Toxics for Mining and then you can use the VM Metallics for Storage Fortresses until you've access to Colossal Plasmas.

(With fairly common chassis like Barrier Nexuses and Concord Stations, you can put way more than 24k Defense (5-7x that much) on that 20 Ob storage setup you alluded to.)

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I would suggest you work on getting your Max Energy to 12xRank so that you can autorank off NPCs.

That'll allow you to build VL 15-16x Toxics for Mining and then you can use the VM Metallics for Storage Fortresses until you've access to Colossal Plasmas.

(With fairly common chassis like Barrier Nexuses and Concord Stations, you can put way more than 24k Defense (5-7x that much) on that 20 Ob storage setup you alluded to.)


*Laughs* Yeah, that one isn't happening. :-P

That would require almost 2K more energy than I have, and I suspect I'd want to bring my attack up another 5K at minimum, as well. :-P

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I would suggest you work on getting your Max Energy to 12xRank so that you can autorank off NPCs.

That'll allow you to build VL 15-16x Toxics for Mining and then you can use the VM Metallics for Storage Fortresses until you've access to Colossal Plasmas.

(With fairly common chassis like Barrier Nexuses and Concord Stations, you can put way more than 24k Defense (5-7x that much) on that 20 Ob storage setup you alluded to.)


*Laughs* Yeah, that one isn't happening. :-P

That would require almost 2K more energy than I have, and I suspect I'd want to bring my attack up another 5K at minimum, as well. :-P

Goals aren't meant to happen overnight. Stick with it, strive for it, earn it in time, and it'll be all the more satisfying when you finally get there.

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Annabell wrote:
I would suggest you work on getting your Max Energy to 12xRank so that you can autorank off NPCs.

That'll allow you to build VL 15-16x Toxics for Mining and then you can use the VM Metallics for Storage Fortresses until you've access to Colossal Plasmas.

(With fairly common chassis like Barrier Nexuses and Concord Stations, you can put way more than 24k Defense (5-7x that much) on that 20 Ob storage setup you alluded to.)


*Laughs* Yeah, that one isn't happening. :-P

That would require almost 2K more energy than I have, and I suspect I'd want to bring my attack up another 5K at minimum, as well. :-P

Goals aren't meant to happen overnight. Stick with it, strive for it, earn it in time, and it'll be all the more satisfying when you finally get there.


Oh, I *am* working on it. Right now I'm working on energy, using rescued prisoners and rank points.

It's just a very, very big number gap I have to close. :-P

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