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Author:  Namekian [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
No matter how slim the chances are is it possible to have

Crimson Intelligence
Trade Outpost Intelligence
Lush Biosphere
Stealth Screen
Subterranean Caverns
Reactive Barrier
Small Moon
Planetary Rings
Advanced Civilization Ruins
Large Moons

All on ONE planet?
Author:  Yung [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Almost. You can't get Large Moons and Small Moon on the same planet.
Author:  FerrusManus [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Because both the Stealth Screen and Reactive Barrier put a screen around your planet, it might not be possible to get those at the same time either, like the Moons. This is only speculation, however.
Author:  Devastation [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
You can't have any of the following effects at the same time:

Large Moons
Small Moon
Planetary Rings
Advanced Civilization Ruins

I'd imagine the same would go for Stealth Screen and Reactive Barrier, but I'm not sure. Never seen it.
Author:  skeletoes [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Devastation wrote:
You can't have any of the following effects at the same time:

Large Moons
Small Moon
Planetary Rings
Advanced Civilization Ruins

I'd imagine the same would go for Stealth Screen and Reactive Barrier, but I'm not sure. Never seen it.

If you get lucky with them being random you can
Author:  Devastation [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
skeletoes wrote:
Devastation wrote:
You can't have any of the following effects at the same time:

Large Moons
Small Moon
Planetary Rings
Advanced Civilization Ruins

I'd imagine the same would go for Stealth Screen and Reactive Barrier, but I'm not sure. Never seen it.

If you get lucky with them being random you can

...and where is your evidence of this?
Author:  FerrusManus [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Devastation wrote:
skeletoes wrote:
Devastation wrote:
You can't have any of the following effects at the same time:

Large Moons
Small Moon
Planetary Rings
Advanced Civilization Ruins

I'd imagine the same would go for Stealth Screen and Reactive Barrier, but I'm not sure. Never seen it.

If you get lucky with them being random you can

...and where is your evidence of this?


Of course, you should answer that same question.
Author:  Empmortakaten [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
FerrusManus wrote:
Of course, you should answer that same question.


Burden of proof, my good sir.

Devastation is asserting a negative, ( That something doesn't exist. ) so he couldn't bring forward any empirical evidence due to it being a, well, negative claim.

You can disprove the negative claim by bringing forward positive evidence. ( IE. A planet with multiple of those effects at the same time. )

Skeletoes is putting forth a positive claim, ( That something does exist. ) so he could bring forward empirical evidence that it does due to it being, well, a positive claim.

You can disprove the positive claim by demonstrating that any evidence brought forward to support it is counterfeit in some way or make the reasonable assertion that, due to lack of evidence, it is better to take the cautious approach and not believe the positive claim at this point in time until, and unless, some valid evidence comes forward.

That is of course if you're actually willing to go through the effort considering this is a virtual clicky game on social media we are talking about.

And, due to that same reason, as well as this being both online and a forum section, I shall now cue the obligatory derogatory remarks and/or trolling in 3... 2... 1...
Author:  ShadowsPoison [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Devastation wrote:
You can't have any of the following effects at the same time:

Large Moons
Small Moon
Planetary Rings
Advanced Civilization Ruins

I'd imagine the same would go for Stealth Screen and Reactive Barrier, but I'm not sure. Never seen it.

I have seen a pic of a planet with large moons and rings, and I recall seeing stealth screen and reactive barrier on someone's planet while trading. I do have this photo from awhile back which doesn't prove much but shows 2 effects.
Image
Author:  FerrusManus [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Empmortakaten wrote:
FerrusManus wrote:
Of course, you should answer that same question.


Burden of proof, my good sir.

Devastation is asserting a negative, ( That something doesn't exist. ) so he couldn't bring forward any empirical evidence due to it being a, well, negative claim.

You can disprove the negative claim by bringing forward positive evidence. ( IE. A planet with multiple of those effects at the same time. )

Skeletoes is putting forth a positive claim, ( That something does exist. ) so he could bring forward empirical evidence that it does due to it being, well, a positive claim.

You can disprove the positive claim by demonstrating that any evidence brought forward to support it is counterfeit in some way or make the reasonable assertion that, due to lack of evidence, it is better to take the cautious approach and not believe the positive claim at this point in time until, and unless, some valid evidence comes forward.

That is of course if you're actually willing to go through the effort considering this is a virtual clicky game on social media we are talking about.

And, due to that same reason, as well as this being both online and a forum section, I shall now cue the obligatory derogatory remarks and/or trolling in 3... 2... 1...


That is not the case. He stated it as a fact, therefore he must have some reason to believe it as such. Just because it can't happen doesn't mean you can't prove it can't happen. For example, we know you can't have small and large Moons because Dan said so. If he's stating that it's true, and not just an assumption, then he must at least have some reason, or preferably proof (considering he didn't say he believe it was true, only that it is).
Author:  Empmortakaten [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
FerrusManus wrote:
Empmortakaten wrote:
FerrusManus wrote:
Of course, you should answer that same question.


Burden of proof, my good sir.

Devastation is asserting a negative, ( That something doesn't exist. ) so he couldn't bring forward any empirical evidence due to it being a, well, negative claim.

You can disprove the negative claim by bringing forward positive evidence. ( IE. A planet with multiple of those effects at the same time. )

Skeletoes is putting forth a positive claim, ( That something does exist. ) so he could bring forward empirical evidence that it does due to it being, well, a positive claim.

You can disprove the positive claim by demonstrating that any evidence brought forward to support it is counterfeit in some way or make the reasonable assertion that, due to lack of evidence, it is better to take the cautious approach and not believe the positive claim at this point in time until, and unless, some valid evidence comes forward.

That is of course if you're actually willing to go through the effort considering this is a virtual clicky game on social media we are talking about.

And, due to that same reason, as well as this being both online and a forum section, I shall now cue the obligatory derogatory remarks and/or trolling in 3... 2... 1...


That is not the case. He stated it as a fact, therefore he must have some reason to believe it as such. Just because it can't happen doesn't mean you can't prove it can't happen. For example, we know you can't have small and large Moons because Dan said so. If he's stating that it's true, and not just an assumption, then he must at least have some reason, or preferably proof (considering he didn't say he believe it was true, only that it is).


You can cite lack of evidence as a reasonable reason to not believe something. It makes no sense to believe something can be done, particularly in a context like this where there should be absolutely abundant evidence it can be done if it is in fact possible, if you have no evidence for it.

Now, unless Dan comes forward and states whether it can be done or not, or someone comes forward with a planet showing them together, I am inclined to take the cautious approach and state unsure if possible, but leanings towards not due to lack of evidence.
Author:  senatorhung [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
see Annabell's post in this topic: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35895&start=0&hilit=transfused

the fact that she was able to get a transfusable effect NATURALLY tends to support the belief that you can get multiple transfusable effects. the only restriction is that if you want to use the transfuser to get one of those effects, it has to be done first.
Author:  Devastation [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
If it was possible to get any of the Large Moons, Planetary Rings, Ancient Civilization Ruins or a Small Moon at the same time, I'm dead certain it would've happened already. From my experiences with randomly occurring Rings, Moons, and ACR, you don't get the effect directly. Instead, you get a report in your log and something has been found and that you can Analyze it (something along the lines of "<planetname> reports strange readings coming from the planet... It may be time to analyze the planet to discover more."). When you analyze it, you'll get one of the aforementioned effects.

The way I see Rings/Moons/ACR is that they're all randomly occurring. All the Reality Transfuser does is manually induces the Analyze ability, instead of you having to wait a lifetime and get lucky with it.

That's why I _know_ that getting more that one of the above effects is impossible. Never seen it before, never will.

As for the Stealth Screen / Reactive Barrier... Like I said, I'm not sure, although it would look pretty stupid to have them both on the planet at once (sorta like a very pale purple mess). I've never seen it happen, I don't think anyone has. Probably never will.


ShadowsPoison wrote:
I have seen a pic of a planet with large moons and rings

Please let me just point out that pictures aren't very reliable. I mean, here's my Rift :P :

Image
Author:  FerrusManus [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Empmortakaten wrote:
You can cite lack of evidence as a reasonable reason to not believe something. It makes no sense to believe something can be done, particularly in a context like this where there should be absolutely abundant evidence it can be done if it is in fact possible, if you have no evidence for it.


Again, he didn't say he believed it couldn't happen, he said he knew it to be a fact that it couldn't happen. Moreover, there wouldn't be abundant evidence, considering how low the chances are of getting any random events at all in the first place. I believe it's been more than a year since I got one randomly, so getting one randomly on a planet that already had one is very unlikely indeed.

He's not claiming that he doesn't know something to be true, he's saying he does knows something to be true (that it can't happen), which means he needs evidence.

Devastation wrote:
That's why I _know_ that getting more that one of the above effects is impossible. Never seen it before, never will.


That doesn't logically follow from everything else you said. You do not know, you merely believe it to be the case, and your faulty logic only makes you less believable.

EDIT: And of course, viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16473&p=147446&hilit=moons+and+rings#p147446 makes it seem more like a possibility.
Author:  senatorhung [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
FerrusManus' search fu is impressive.

so, here is the direct link to the Word of Dan TM:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16473&hilit=moons+and+rings&start=16
Author:  Devastation [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
In the description of the Reality Transfuser:

Can only be used planets that do not already have such an effect.

Suggests that you'd be unable to randomly get the 'Analyze' ability, no?
Author:  FerrusManus [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Devastation wrote:
In the description of the Reality Transfuser:

Can only be used planets that do not already have such an effect.

Suggests that you'd be unable to randomly get the 'Analyze' ability, no?


No, it does not, it only prevents you from getting two effects yourself to prevent it from being overpowered.
Author:  Devastation [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
FerrusManus wrote:
Devastation wrote:
In the description of the Reality Transfuser:

Can only be used planets that do not already have such an effect.

Suggests that you'd be unable to randomly get the 'Analyze' ability, no?


No, it does not, it only prevents you from getting two effects yourself to prevent it from being overpowered.

Okay, okay. Y'all win this round, but only because I can't prove that your claims are false. Only Dan can do that.
Author:  Malevolentia [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Devastation wrote:
FerrusManus wrote:
Devastation wrote:
In the description of the Reality Transfuser:

Can only be used planets that do not already have such an effect.

Suggests that you'd be unable to randomly get the 'Analyze' ability, no?


No, it does not, it only prevents you from getting two effects yourself to prevent it from being overpowered.

Okay, okay. Y'all win this round, but only because I can't prove that your claims are false. Only Dan can do that.


I don't think they're saying necessarily that you are wrong, rather that you asserted something as being definitely true when you don't actually know if it is definitely true. Their point, from what I gathered, is that you should have said that you have never seen it to be the case and that you do not believe it to be true.
Author:  FerrusManus [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it possible to recieve every permament effect on a planet
Just to put this rest:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36254

Don't be so quick to say you "know" something.

EDIT: Ah, you saw that already; any proof to the contrary is just a glitch, of course.
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