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Author:  The Exterminator [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  We all know Artifact is supreme BUT...

Mining or Research? Which one rains supreme?
What is more valuable to have at higher ranks?

I would prefer people who are high rank, as they have experience.

Author:  Rarek [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:41 pm ]
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Since Research turns into credits at high ranks, and the high modules are freaking expensive, mining should reign in theory.

Author:  The Exterminator [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:43 pm ]
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Rarek wrote:
Since Research turns into credits at high ranks, and the high modules are freaking expensive, mining should reign in theory.

Thank you for your opinion.

Can we get some high rank input?

Author:  Rarek [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:46 pm ]
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-.- I'm afraid I can't not be offended by that. I'm not stupid. I can give a hypothetical opinion based on extrapolation. Nor am I preventing further opinions from being added.

Sorry for opening my mouth to positively contribute, I'll be sure to avoid these threads in the future.

Author:  The Exterminator [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:49 pm ]
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Rarek wrote:
-.- I'm afraid I can't not be offended by that. I'm not stupid. I can give a hypothetical opinion based on extrapolation. Nor am I preventing further opinions from being added.

Sorry for opening my mouth to positively contribute, I'll be sure to avoid these threads in the future.

Sorry, For my offensiveness. Edited it.

Author:  Rarek [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:51 pm ]
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So that means that I can't make an intelligent remark such as the one that I did? If anything I said was wrong, THEN you can blame my lack of experience. But until then, it's still a valid contribution to the thread, regardless of my experience level. Others can still comment on it and everyone would be happy. Perhaps my insights could spawn new ones. That's the purpose of brainstorming.

I highly doubt someone is going to look at my post and turn away from the thread because I'm "inexperienced".

Author:  The Exterminator [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:53 pm ]
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Rarek wrote:
So that means that I can't make an intelligent remark such as the one that I did? If anything I said was wrong, THEN you can blame my lack of experience. But until then, it's still a valid contribution to the thread, regardless of my experience level. Others can still comment on it and everyone would be happy. Perhaps my insights could spawn new ones. That's the purpose of brainstorming.

I highly doubt someone is going to look at my post and turn away from the thread because I'm "inexperienced".

Omg. I don't want this a fight thread. Dude. I'm not saying it was unintelligent, but you have no grounds to make a comment, because you have no experienced it. Only high ranks have, Thus I wanted their opinion.

Author:  Vorenus [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:56 pm ]
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lol, Rarek, stay in the age appropriate forums and let the big boys have a talk here

Author:  Rarek [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:58 pm ]
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The Exterminator wrote:
Omg. I don't want this a fight thread. Dude. I'm not saying it was unintelligent, but you have no grounds to make a comment, because you have no experienced it. Only high ranks have, Thus I wanted their opinion.

Sigh, I refuse to fight this anymore and go in circles. This is the same point you just made.

I'll leave this thread due to my inexperience in the matter. My apologies for any inconvenience I have caused -.-

Author:  ODragon [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:58 pm ]
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I prefer them to be split equally. Research is generally easier to get and the research related buildings are much better and found more often than mining one. The Roothub ability can only be used once every 12 hours. If you are like most high levels, you hit your cap way before this.

There are free research storage buildings...

You probably get less credits from RP than you get when going MP -> Credits.

I'm not sure there is one single answer. Whatever works to keep you from capping as quickly would be the easiest answer I think.

Author:  Deathgaze [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:02 pm ]
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Rarek wrote:
Since Research turns into credits at high ranks, and the high modules are freaking expensive, mining should reign in theory.


I actually agree with you here, Im just about to hit rank 700 and I find that my 125k or so research cap (I have 2-3 storage worlds) nets me about 3.2 billion - sadly I waste some every day as I work more than 8 hours

The same 8 hour cap in mining nets me close to 8-9 billion and toxics are much easier to spit out than plasmas.

Mining all the way for up front credits, high rankers are better off spending their RP on Hyper Logistics and its other base tech friends which cost multitudes of research.

For what its worth, my mining is 16000, research is 14000 - not the highest I know for a "higher" rank, but there you go

Also: Ex, dont be an ass man, he merely put an opinion in.

Author:  FerrusManus [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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Mining becomes more worthwhile, the extent to which depends on your Legion. I mostly stopped picking up Research planets at about 9000 research and have just been using Optimizers and scientists to increase my research, but the CT Lab is making me wish I had a little more. If you're in a Legion where you aren't the primary person doing Lab research then that won't be a big deal. Base research will still take forever, but really, trying to pick up planets to the extent that Base research won't take forever is just going to hurt after you've done that research.

That being said, mining isn't a super big deal either, just pick up every unoccupied Very Large Toxic you scan (or occupied, at your discretion) and max them out. Any other source of mineral income isn't worth it, and that will get you plenty.

Author:  The Exterminator [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:08 pm ]
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Deathgaze wrote:
Rarek wrote:
Since Research turns into credits at high ranks, and the high modules are freaking expensive, mining should reign in theory.


I actually agree with you here, Im just about to hit rank 700 and I find that my 125k or so research cap (I have 2-3 storage worlds) nets me about 3.2 billion - sadly I waste some every day as I work more than 8 hours

The same 8 hour cap in mining nets me close to 8-9 billion and toxics are much easier to spit out than plasmas.

Mining all the way for up front credits, high rankers are better off spending their RP on Hyper Logistics and its other base tech friends which cost multitudes of research.

For what its worth, my mining is 16000, research is 14000 - not the highest I know for a "higher" rank, but there you go

Also: Ex, dont be an ass man, he merely put an opinion in.

I respect that, I saw it, and then politely said, i prefer high rankers opinion

Author:  Uy23e [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:35 pm ]
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The first mission to the moon, nobody had any experience, they still made it.

Experience is hardly a qualifier for everything.

In any case, according to binary man:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17761
MP planet will yield more CR than RP, and as the sole purpose of RP is for cr under assumption of truly high lvl(that is tech is maxed), MP is superior from CR standpoint.

I'm not entirely sure if you factor in the "value" of CTL discoveries which is the last useful(and almost indefinite) aspect of RP that is not for CR, thou at some point it will become rather trivial.

Author:  Rarek [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:39 pm ]
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The Exterminator wrote:
I respect that, I saw it, and then politely said, i prefer high rankers opinion


Seriously dude...it's pretty low class to change your posts to make it look like I'm the ass in the thread.

Grow up and learn to admit your mistakes.

Author:  Frail [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:47 pm ]
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I would put research ahead of mining just in case a new tier of research comes out. But atm they are about equal since I convert my research into credits. For me, I reach cap for both under 8 hours and receive similar amounts of credit, but don't really need the credits. My upkeep is around 9 billion (I don't install the top modules. I don't believe the benefit to cost is worth it) and I receive 50+ billion a day.

Author:  ODragon [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:53 pm ]
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Frail wrote:
I would put research ahead of mining just in case a new tier of research comes out. But atm they are about equal since I convert my research into credits. For me, I reach cap for both under 8 hours and receive similar amounts of credit, but don't really need the credits. My upkeep is around 9 billion (I don't install the top modules. I don't believe the benefit to cost is worth it) and I receive 50+ billion a day.

I'm not as far along as Frail and have almost twice his upkeep and still need 30 more days to use the research contract.

I would suggest getting enough mining to cover your upkeep and a couple billion a day extra to afford new planets. By the time you finish all your research, the credits you get there will be gravy. If a new research tier comes out, you won't be putting your upkeep at risk by starting to research again.

Author:  Tree7304 [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:45 pm ]
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Frail wrote:
I would put research ahead of mining just in case a new tier of research comes out. But atm they are about equal since I convert my research into credits. For me, I reach cap for both under 8 hours and receive similar amounts of credit, but don't really need the credits. My upkeep is around 9 billion (I don't install the top modules. I don't believe the benefit to cost is worth it) and I receive 50+ billion a day.

If you don't mind sharing. What percentage of your research income comes from scientists?

At mid 400's my scientists give me about 20% of my total.

Author:  ODragon [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:31 pm ]
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Tree7304 wrote:
If you don't mind sharing. What percentage of your research income comes from scientists?

At mid 400's my scientists give me about 20% of my total.

I'm in the 900s and 22.9% of my research comes from scientists (almost 7ks worth). I'm probably on the lower end of the scale.

Author:  Frail [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:32 pm ]
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Tree7304 wrote:
Frail wrote:
I would put research ahead of mining just in case a new tier of research comes out. But atm they are about equal since I convert my research into credits. For me, I reach cap for both under 8 hours and receive similar amounts of credit, but don't really need the credits. My upkeep is around 9 billion (I don't install the top modules. I don't believe the benefit to cost is worth it) and I receive 50+ billion a day.

If you don't mind sharing. What percentage of your research income comes from scientists?

At mid 400's my scientists give me about 20% of my total.


I don't mind sharing. My research prod is at 40k an hour. And I have 17,794 scientist.

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