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Author:  blahblahblah [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Is there a limit to the usability of chthonian exchanger?
is there a limit to how rich the gas planet can be? can i use one on a 88x mega rich gas planet or whatever? or is there a cap... cause ive heard theres a limit but i havent seen it written about anywhere
Author:  f3ar3dlegend [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is there a limit to the usability of chthonian exchanger?
This is probably in the wrong forum... Should be in Strategy or Galaxy Pub, not Issues and Support.
Author:  MrSpock [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is there a limit to the usability of chthonian exchanger?
I agree.
Author:  Annabell [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:52 pm ]
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All I know is the hassle and price for a VL 38x/38x/- is crazy steep for those of us who don't run entire legions full of dummy accounts to build VM -/-/88x Gases.
Author:  Cendant [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:53 pm ]
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Annabell wrote:
All I know is the hassle and price for a VL 38x/38x/- is crazy steep for those of us who don't run entire legions full of dummy accounts to build VM -/-/88x Gases.


Its pretty on par with buying a 38x dyson. But a lot more work and only vl
Author:  Wolfy Minion [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:06 pm ]
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Yes 18x is the limit. Had a legionmate recently try to use it on a 20x and find out the hard way. Dan kindly refunded the GP but turns out the max we can get with these arts is a VL 3x...lovely.
Author:  RigorMortis [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:44 pm ]
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Cendant wrote:
Annabell wrote:
All I know is the hassle and price for a VL 38x/38x/- is crazy steep for those of us who don't run entire legions full of dummy accounts to build VM -/-/88x Gases.


Its pretty on par with buying a 38x dyson. But a lot more work and only vl

Wouldn't make a half bad Rift though. At least if what Wolfy said wasn't true; as is, it looks like it just kind of sucks.
Author:  Toastar [ Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:33 pm ]
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The most useless artifact ever is now even uselesser!
Author:  Peticks [ Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:01 pm ]
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Wolfy Minion wrote:
Yes 18x is the limit. Had a legionmate recently try to use it on a 20x and find out the hard way. Dan kindly refunded the GP but turns out the max we can get with these arts is a VL 3x...lovely.

Thats a stupid limit. considering how much ctp goes to simply buying the cubes to get it to 88x its not at all overpowered to have it go to 38x for rifting...
Author:  Overseer [ Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:20 pm ]
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Wolfy Minion wrote:
Yes 18x is the limit. Had a legionmate recently try to use it on a 20x and find out the hard way. Dan kindly refunded the GP but turns out the max we can get with these arts is a VL 3x...lovely.


I assume the 18x you refer to is research, im guessing the other resource totals dont matter since it specifies research. I also don;t possess one and haven't been able to try any of this myself.

I was thinking of trying to use it like this, if this would be plausible i do not know, if someone wants to try and let us know that would be awesome.

1: take any size gas planet with rings, make it 15x/15x/15x (size wont matter in the end, size will matter if you dont do the last step)

2: get artifact up to 20x and research up to 18x (thats as high as i would go anyways)

3: alert, abandon, purge if necessary and use chthonian

4: would then be 30x/35x/- and -2 size

5: rift to end at MC 45x/50x/- with rings
Author:  senatorhung [ Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:38 pm ]
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Overseer wrote:
Wolfy Minion wrote:
Yes 18x is the limit. Had a legionmate recently try to use it on a 20x and find out the hard way. Dan kindly refunded the GP but turns out the max we can get with these arts is a VL 3x...lovely.


I assume the 18x you refer to is research, im guessing the other resource totals dont matter since it specifies research. I also don;t possess one and haven't been able to try any of this myself.

2: get artifact up to 20x and research up to 18x (thats as high as i would go anyways)

3: alert, abandon, purge if necessary and use chthonian

4: would then be 30x/35x/- and -2 size


the arti REPLACES any arti / mining richness with HALF of the existing research richness. see the example on the wiki:

http://galaxylegion.com/wiki/index.php/ ... _Exchanger
Author:  Overseer [ Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:48 pm ]
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the example doesn't specify whether it started with any mining or artifact. It just shows what a Gas planet usually has for them of 0. I think if that is the case someone should update it to specify that no matter what the resources start at that it strips it off before calculating what its new availability is.
Author:  senatorhung [ Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:49 pm ]
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Overseer wrote:
the example doesn't specify whether it started with any mining or artifact. It just shows what a Gas planet usually has for them of 0. I think if that is the case someone should update it to specify that no matter what the resources start at that it strips it off before calculating what its new availability is.


added this:

"When used, the new Chthonian planet's resource production is zeroed before the research richness of the original gas planet is apportioned. Any research richness beyond 18x will be disregarded. Hence, the maximum richness, from the use of this artifact, is 3x for artifact and mining on the Chthonian planet."

someone else can go in and correct this if it is wrong (i have no personal experience with this arti).
Author:  Overseer [ Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is there a limit to the usability of chthonian exchanger?
Awesome, thank you for the clarifications.

and now I died a little on the inside, was all excited about ways to be able to use it.
Author:  senatorhung [ Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:04 pm ]
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Overseer wrote:
Awesome, thank you for the clarifications.

and now I died a little on the inside, was all excited about ways to be able to use it.


i suspect / hope that it is only a prelude for the legion mission continuation ... but otherwise ... i'd have to agree on the wussy-ness of this arti.
Author:  senatorhung [ Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is there a limit to the usability of chthonian exchanger?
well, i don't think the universe is getting flooded with Chthonian planets. just had a legion mate query about it since this is the first time he's done this legion mission with us.

if instead of decreasing the size of the planet by 2, it increased the size by 2, all other restrictions and conditions remaining (18x max, GP to abandon, etc.), would it be worth it ?

that is ... the best you could get from an unoccupied VM 18x research gas would be:

a MC 3x arti 3x mining chthonian ?

does anyone find that possibility over.powering ?

or is it just going to remain a no.prize to increase legion mission success odds ?
Author:  Lizardon [ Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:20 pm ]
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I would think that dan wouldnt want us to have many more Mega colossals then what we have now, they arent supposed to be unlimited in number.
Even as it is, ive got over a dozen MCs and another ten or so VM and COL planets with moons that are effectively larger then the MC standard.
I do agree though that something needs to be done to make these planets worth ANYTHING, let alone the energy costs and requirements of doing the mission.
Author:  asquall [ Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:04 pm ]
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I agree this Chthonian planet should be +2 size.

It might be more pleasant to those wanting to get storage planets :D
Author:  Arbiter [ Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:13 pm ]
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The reason it decreases in size is because a Chthonian planet is a Gas planet stripped of most of its gas.
Author:  Tree7304 [ Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is there a limit to the usability of chthonian exchanger?
Only change I would make is the need for the planet to be unoccupied.
5 gp for a planet that makes 350arti/hr isn't awful but it isn't a possibility for people who don't buy GP
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