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Author:  Annabell [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:55 am ]
Post subject:  2013 Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
MrSpock wrote:
Universal Service Terminal
Image
Systematic Harvest
Improves the mineral trade efficiency of your planetary network.
Increases your overall mining production by 10% for 8 hours.
Cost: 40 CTP

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.8 Tariff = 2,643,873,760 CR
2643873760 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 58099 MU
58099 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 72624 MU/hr to break even :lol:
Author:  Toastar [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Annabell wrote:
MrSpock wrote:
Universal Service Terminal
Image
Systematic Harvest
Improves the mineral trade efficiency of your planetary network.
Increases your overall mining production by 10% for 8 hours.
Cost: 40 CTP

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.8 Tariff = 2,643,873,760 CR
2643873760 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 58099 MU
58099 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 72624 MU/hr to break even :lol:


Hehe wow - I'm at 70k and fired it off because I figured it *had* to be useful by now. Apparently not! Maybe next year.
Author:  Wolfy Minion [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Annabell wrote:
MrSpock wrote:
Universal Service Terminal
Image
Systematic Harvest
Improves the mineral trade efficiency of your planetary network.
Increases your overall mining production by 10% for 8 hours.
Cost: 40 CTP

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.8 Tariff = 2,643,873,760 CR
2643873760 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 58099 MU
58099 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 72624 MU/hr to break even :lol:


who doesn't have dark aperture by now?
Author:  asquall [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Wolfy Minion wrote:
who doesn't have dark aperture by now?


72624 MU/hr / 8 * 9 = 81702 MU/hr

even better now :mrgreen:
Author:  Annabell [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:21 am ]
Post subject:  Split P2
Wolfy Minion wrote:
Annabell wrote:
MrSpock wrote:
Universal Service Terminal
Image
Systematic Harvest
Improves the mineral trade efficiency of your planetary network.
Increases your overall mining production by 10% for 8 hours.
Cost: 40 CTP

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.8 Tariff = 2,643,873,760 CR
2643873760 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 58099 MU
58099 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 72624 MU/hr to break even :lol:


who doesn't have dark aperture by now?

The majority of the game I would suspect, but you realize for those of us who only sell minerals twice daily, that makes Ku more valuable, and thus the break even point worse...

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even
Author:  S.Hawking [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Annabell wrote:
The majority of the game I would suspect, but you realize for those of us who only sell minerals twice daily, that makes Ku more valuable, and thus the break even point worse...

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


Please note that this "break even" point is only valid if you purchase Complex Tech Parts from another player and is based wholly on an arbitrary, player-defined value.

In the future, please do not posit numbers like this as if they were officially sanctioned. Remember, this is the Beginners Hub. Meaning, beginners will/should look in here for information. Please don't mislead them.
Author:  Devastation [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
S.Hawking wrote:
In the future, please do not posit numbers like this as if they were officially sanctioned. Remember, this is the Beginners Hub. Meaning, beginners will/should look in here for information. Please don't mislead them.

There's nothing all that misleading about it.
Author:  asquall [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Devastation wrote:
S.Hawking wrote:
In the future, please do not posit numbers like this as if they were officially sanctioned. Remember, this is the Beginners Hub. Meaning, beginners will/should look in here for information. Please don't mislead them.

There's nothing all that misleading about it.


and even worse, the number works if ALL of the MU converted to Ku ~
Author:  Peticks [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
S.Hawking wrote:
Annabell wrote:
The majority of the game I would suspect, but you realize for those of us who only sell minerals twice daily, that makes Ku more valuable, and thus the break even point worse...

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


Please note that this "break even" point is only valid if you purchase Complex Tech Parts from another player and is based wholly on an arbitrary, player-defined value.

And thus Exactly what a player new to the game needs to know. Rather than wasting 40 ctp on a buff that will get them at max 100-200m credits they can get almost 3000m credits if they sell to another player
Author:  MrSpock [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
I split this topic as it is more of a Strategy than a beginner topic. Hopefully, this will quell the fires.
Author:  KxG Ryoko [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Peticks wrote:
S.Hawking wrote:
Annabell wrote:
The majority of the game I would suspect, but you realize for those of us who only sell minerals twice daily, that makes Ku more valuable, and thus the break even point worse...

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


Please note that this "break even" point is only valid if you purchase Complex Tech Parts from another player and is based wholly on an arbitrary, player-defined value.

And thus Exactly what a player new to the game needs to know. Rather than wasting 40 ctp on a buff that will get them at max 100-200m credits they can get almost 3000m credits if they sell to another player


Pssssst~ what "NEW" player has access to the UST?? :roll:

As far as I'm aware (and the wiki backs this up), you have to finish the requisite research before you gain anything from the terminal~ so no 'new' player would even have the ability to "waste" the 40ctp in the first place.

GL Wiki wrote:
The Universal Service Terminal is a special structure built upon Legion Bases that provides the Legion with special ship Bonuses. It provides an array of buffs to any player ship that has the Universal Maintenance research completed.
Author:  Devastation [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
KxG makes an excellent point. Kinda shocked I didn't noticed that myself. :o
Author:  Cendant [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
Annabell wrote:
40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.8 Tariff = 2,643,873,760 CR
2643873760 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 58099 MU
58099 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 72624 MU/hr to break even :lol:



Annabell wrote:
40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


By that math, not using the Dark Aperture Key would yield better results recouping the costs, which just logically makes no sense, so you've probably got an error in there
Keep in mind that the DAK will change the 45506 CR/MU number you used.
Author:  Annabell [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
Cendant wrote:
Annabell wrote:
40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.8 Tariff = 2,643,873,760 CR
2643873760 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 58099 MU
58099 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 72624 MU/hr to break even :lol:



Annabell wrote:
40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


By that math, not using the Dark Aperture Key would yield better results recouping the costs, which just logically makes no sense, so you've probably got an error in there
Keep in mind that the DAK will change the 45506 CR/MU number you used.

True, but I've no way of calculating a different CR/MU number, that one's based on an average of over two years of daily rewards recorded (367 of which are MU).
Author:  Cendant [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
Annabell wrote:
True, but I've no way of calculating a different CR/MU number, that one's based on an average of over two years of daily rewards recorded (367 of which are MU).


Was that average done with DAK or without?
Author:  KJReed [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
Cendant wrote:
Annabell wrote:
True, but I've no way of calculating a different CR/MU number, that one's based on an average of over two years of daily rewards recorded (367 of which are MU).


Was that average done with DAK or without?

if all was with then the first should be divided by 1.125
if all were not then the bottom should be multiplied by 1.125
Author:  PLURVIOUS [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
S.Hawking wrote:
Annabell wrote:
The majority of the game I would suspect, but you realize for those of us who only sell minerals twice daily, that makes Ku more valuable, and thus the break even point worse...

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


Please note that this "break even" point is only valid if you purchase Complex Tech Parts from another player and is based wholly on an arbitrary, player-defined value.

In the future, please do not posit numbers like this as if they were officially sanctioned. Remember, this is the Beginners Hub. Meaning, beginners will/should look in here for information. Please don't mislead them.


"officially sanctioned" as in????? what? a moderator has to sanction the number?
Author:  Darth Flagitious [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
PLURVIOUS wrote:
S.Hawking wrote:
Annabell wrote:
The majority of the game I would suspect, but you realize for those of us who only sell minerals twice daily, that makes Ku more valuable, and thus the break even point worse...

40 CTP*55 Ku/CTP = 2200 Ku
2200 Ku*1502201 CR/Ku * 0.9 Tariff = 2,974,357,980 CR
297435790 CR / 45506 CR/MU = 65362 MU
65362 MU / 8 hr / 0.1 Buff = 81703 MU/hr to break even


Please note that this "break even" point is only valid if you purchase Complex Tech Parts from another player and is based wholly on an arbitrary, player-defined value.

In the future, please do not posit numbers like this as if they were officially sanctioned. Remember, this is the Beginners Hub. Meaning, beginners will/should look in here for information. Please don't mislead them.


"officially sanctioned" as in????? what? a moderator has to sanction the number?


Plurv, quit being a putz... If I understand S.Lawking correctly, he's saying that any calculation of the value for the Harvest effect is going to be inherently flawed because the GAME does not have any Ku-CTP relationship. That is just us deciding that today it's going to be 55 per. Tomorrow it could be 50 or 60. Unfortunately, there's a relatively small group of people that can say something, and it's taken as gospel galaxy-wide. That's why it's 55 now rather than 10 as it was a year or so ago.

As an aside, suppose Dan were to add an embargo event (how many are left that recall the one we did have? Old farts... lol). Maybe we wouldn't be able to trade CTP. Where's your Ku then hmm?
Author:  ODragon [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2013 Thanksgiving Event: Season of the Harvest
Darth Flagitious wrote:
If I understand S.Lawking correctly, he's saying that any calculation of the value for the Harvest effect is going to be inherently flawed because the GAME does not have any Ku-CTP relationship. That is just us deciding that today it's going to be 55 per. Tomorrow it could be 50 or 60. Unfortunately, there's a relatively small group of people that can say something, and it's taken as gospel galaxy-wide. That's why it's 55 now rather than 10 as it was a year or so ago.

As an aside, suppose Dan were to add an embargo event (how many are left that recall the one we did have? Old farts... lol). Maybe we wouldn't be able to trade CTP. Where's your Ku then hmm?


That is also how I understood S.Hawking's post. There is so much fluctuation in the CTP value, who knows what the proper math is.

And yes, I remember the embargo; I'd love to see another galaxy-wide event like that. I think it was the only one ever.
Author:  PLURVIOUS [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Systematic Harvest: To Use or Not To Use
OK, so we can't quote any market rates on the forum? I know it fluctuates, but isn't it a bit overbearing to have moderators tell us we can't state an exchange rate because it's not "official"? No one here said anything about an exchange rate being "official". It's a forum as in "discussion forum", "discussion" being the keyword there.

If I make a post like "hey whats this planet worth?" and someone else replies with "10K ctp", then are the moderators going to comment on that also? Why just now is this a problem? Discussions of trades, exchange rates, etc have happened many times over without issue?
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