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SuperStar
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:46 am Posts: 285 Location: NOT on Spotify
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A legionmate just scanned this planet (inactive owner). It is a little different, so he solicited advice from the legion. With his permission, I'm posting the pics here. The question is: what would you do with this planet build?Please be specific as possible. If you would replace some of the modules, please state which ones you would replace them with. The planet has 11823 cloak before any legion bonus. For the sake of this exercise, assume no QSEs, RTs or Energizers are available.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:17 am |
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Chloron
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:47 pm Posts: 1513
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Not sure what the dilemma is.
Step 1) Invade Step 2) Flux Step 3) 5 Time Vortexes Step 4) Remove Sha'Jha for Polaron Emitter Step 5) Enjoy Production
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:54 am |
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ODragon
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:16 am Posts: 3824
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Max the passive close to 5k using Folds + Clandestines, go for the polaron to max it all out.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:02 am |
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SuperStar
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:46 am Posts: 285 Location: NOT on Spotify
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Chloron wrote: Not sure what the dilemma is.
Step 1) Invade Step 2) Flux Step 3) 5 Time Vortexes All of these are all assumed. This isn't the Beginner's Hub. ODragon wrote: Max the passive close to 5k using Folds + Clandestines, go for the polaron to max it all out. The passive cloak is already too high for folds. But Clandestines & Polaron are an option. But to that effect, would you lose efficiency by putting the cloak to somewhere in the 30K range? Would you destroy/extract some of the cloak modules and put some artifact ones?
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:20 am |
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SuperStar
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:46 am Posts: 285 Location: NOT on Spotify
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Here is a response from a friend who doesn't have a forum account:
"I don't even waste space on cloaking them. A bit of def to keep off low ranks, no amount of defense on a massive is enough for high ranks. Pure production and a bit of defense is the way I do it.
Anything less then Very Massive isn't worth defending or cloaking. Colossals are worth trying to cloak, and obviously special sizes with effects are cloaked when possible."
Thoughts?
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:26 am |
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The Prisoner
Joined: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:28 pm Posts: 468
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Replace the 2 shrouds with 2 Nexuses!
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:48 am |
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ODragon
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:16 am Posts: 3824
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SuperStar wrote: But to that effect, would you lose efficiency by putting the cloak to somewhere in the 30K range? Would you destroy/extract some of the cloak modules and put some artifact ones? I would say get the cloak to 27k+ using the % modules already on it as well as the passive cloak and artifact producing buildings with cloak. I don't think he'd have much trouble getting to 850/hour on it if he get it to 20x and maxes it invisible that way.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:53 am |
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Deigobene
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:26 pm Posts: 1076
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Polaron for sure, but I'd probably remove the other cloaking artis for use elsewhere on better long-term projects.
I'm probably with Taylor's friend regarding Massive not really being worth either cloaking or defending in the long run. Assuming no QSE's arrive or are bought, I'd probably go with a moderate amount of cloak via polaron and the existing passives and pump production.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:06 am |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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Massive 15x AP not worth cloaking/defending? Seriously?
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:37 am |
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Deigobene
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:26 pm Posts: 1076
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Darth Flagitious wrote: Massive 15x AP not worth cloaking/defending? Seriously? Only with the constraints of "No Quasis, No RT". If it was actually for me, it would be quasied and RTed the moment it was fluxed then cloaked.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:17 am |
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Sharnhorst
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:51 pm Posts: 331
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A massive 15x planet is very much worth cloaking... but I don't think is worth using anything past the 28 folds + 3 chargers or any other combo you like for passive cloak (around 8k+ total cloak before legion bonus is pretty much invisible). 63 spaces is very easy to fill up, this is what I always use as baseline (59 spaces): Hyperforge Fabricator x2 Hypergate Relay Tower Processing Core Space Elevator x2 Galactic Concord Station HyperSensor Satellite Toxic Processing Plant Isolation Bureau Adumbrate Station x2 Barrier Nexus x2 Quantum Accelerator x2 Crimson Rift Aperture Silthion T-Plasma Vesicle Polaron Emitter Then you have 4 spaces which are a bit open to different options. I'd personally go with three 1:1 arti structures and a cloaking % structure. E.g.: Scruuge Calibration Chamber (if you have leftovers) Quantum Hydro-Meliorator Bralkir Altar Ergosphere Filter Or if you have spare, a hoveroid and 2 adaptive spires instead (but I usually save those for the VM planets). So remove anything that is not on this list or doesn't give you arti (at least 1:1) and you have a planet focused on production but cloaked enough to be safe from scanning for years to come Edit: looking at the structures more closely, this one has an upgraded hyperforge and several 2:1 arti structures... so it's pretty valuable (I'd say more than a VM planet, considering the extra aph from structures instead of space). So yes, as above... remove anything not on the list, including either the ergoshpere filter or the meta-tuned jammer (you only need one, save the other for a different world), keep the hoveroid, and try to add 2 adaptive spires if you have. So to remove: Sha'jha Uplink x2 Dark Anti-Beacon Klorvis Shroud Generator x2 Resonance Inhibitor x2 Bioship Landing Platform Erogsphere Filter
To be added: Galactic Concord Station HyperSensor Satellite Toxic Processing Plant Barrier Nexus x2 Polaron Emitter And you have one extra space for another structure I believe.... use anthing with 1:1 or 2:1 arti you can find
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:48 am |
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swirlydoctor
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:59 pm Posts: 45
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I would agree drop some cloak and add some production, biggest mistake you made is using the seed before taking it to 20x
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:25 pm |
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Tree7304
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:05 am Posts: 2794
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Sharnhorst wrote: So to remove: Sha'jha Uplink x2 Dark Anti-Beacon Klorvis Shroud Generator x2 Resonance Inhibitor x2 Bioship Landing Platform Erogsphere Filter
To be added: Galactic Concord Station HyperSensor Satellite Toxic Processing Plant Barrier Nexus x2 Polaron Emitter This is basically what I already plan to do with it except I will remove the meta tune instead of the ergosphere I will also remove the rift aperture since I still have better places to put those Litheor probes and an omniforge will be added I will likely add just 1 barrier nexus. My main dilemma is that it is only massive in size which I usually don't bother defending or cloaking all that much. The +18 and the Ventar Field Collapser + good passive cloak make me want to keep it cloaked a bit though Chloron wrote: Not sure what the dilemma is.
Step 1) Invade Step 2) Flux Step 3) 5 Time Vortexes Step 4) Remove Sha'Jha for Polaron Emitter Step 5) Enjoy Production I think most people would do this or skip adding the polaron and leave it as is which is just the lazy method. There is room for improvement, why not improve? ODragon wrote: Max the passive close to 5k using Folds + Clandestines, go for the polaron to max it all out. Do you really use clandestines on planets like this already? I agree with the 2nd statement ODragon wrote: I don't think he'd have much trouble getting to 850/hour on it if he get it to 20x and maxes it invisible that way. To the person saying add some defense to fend off low ranks, the passive cloak on the planet along with the artifacts on it provides enough cloak that a low rank can't even scan it. The defense is a useless redundancy. Darth Flagitious wrote: Massive 15x AP not worth cloaking/defending? Seriously? You don't agree? I have a MC with +24s that says you don't defend or cloak your planets. swirlydoctor wrote: biggest mistake you made is using the seed before taking it to 20x "you" is the previous owner, I have no control over that but I do agree that it was a mistake. The mistake is made and I need to adapt the planet build as best I can given the circumstances which is what this topic is about. Adapting planet builds. I believe people steal planets and then don't change much about them, this is a lazy way of handling planets. When you see a planet alerted for population help, watch what the new owner does after they invade it. If you have a better idea of what they could be doing with it, tell them. That's how we do things in eots and our members are better planet builders because of it.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:55 pm |
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ODragon
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:16 am Posts: 3824
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Tree7304 wrote: ODragon wrote: Max the passive close to 5k using Folds + Clandestines, go for the polaron to max it all out. Do you really use clandestines on planets like this already? Well yes, it is easier to set new planets right when I get them than to come back and adjust the old ones, at least for me.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:31 pm |
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Serne
Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:36 am Posts: 970
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Step 1: 4x Enumeration Crystals Step 2: Use Morphogenic Enhancer Step 3: Profit.
Even the dummy prize from that is better than a kick in the D. It ends up either VM 19x, M 20x, or M 21x.
Don't have the time to wade into the build decision morass that is currently forming. Maybe later on tonight.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:25 pm |
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Tree7304
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:05 am Posts: 2794
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swirlydoctor wrote: I would agree drop some cloak and add some production, biggest mistake you made is using the seed before taking it to 20x Assuming you are the same swirlydoctor in Stormkyn Alliance Legion This was your planet, it was a VL 15x arti terra making 370 arti an hour It had about 45k defense on it and 3k cloak Sorry to use you as an example but this is typical of people. They act like they know what they are talking about when building planets but time and time again we find planets like this that are being poorly used.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:42 pm |
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The Prisoner
Joined: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:28 pm Posts: 468
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Here are the effects: Stealth Screen : Cloak +30% Trade Outpost Intelligence : Production +4% T5 Field Analysis : Production +1% Lepus Bio-Mech Gateway Effect : Population +40% Luring Cynosure Effect : Attack +20% Scruuge Hovertank Effect : Attack +15% Scruuge Hovertank Effect : Defense +15% Tejiar Ally HQ Effect : Cloak +5% Raix Bunker Effect : Defense +3616 Barrier Nexus Effect : Defense +20% Barrier Nexus Effect : Defense +20% Galactic Concord Station Effect : Defense +10% Astrobiology Ward Effect : Population +50% Vorean Biostasis Lab Effect : Population +50% Ergosphere Filter Effect : Cloak +20% Intraphasic Hoveroid Effect : Production +5% Now I know your planet is not as important for you as this one is for me and that you have better planets to put your artis on, but if I get 54 production points on a VL, you should get at least 50 on that M 15x
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:03 am |
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SuperStar
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:46 am Posts: 285 Location: NOT on Spotify
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@The Prisoner, what is the cloak on your planet before legion bonus?
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:10 am |
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The Prisoner
Joined: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:28 pm Posts: 468
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SuperStar wrote: @The Prisoner, what is the cloak on your planet before legion bonus? 7453, but the passive cloak is only at 2300
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Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:13 am |
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SuperStar
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The Prisoner wrote: SuperStar wrote: @The Prisoner, what is the cloak on your planet before legion bonus? 7453, but the passive cloak is only at 2300 I'm not sure which legion are you in, but assuming best case scenario, the cloak on that planet would be 16397 (7453 + 120% legion bonus). Aren't you worried that your planet could be scanned and invaded?
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