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I know there used to be a lot of debates, Rings vs Moons. What did you all figure out?


Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:25 pm
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Post Re: Rings or Moons?
xencindy wrote:
I know there used to be a lot of debates, Rings vs Moons. What did you all figure out?

when upgrading planets using reality transcenders .. planets with moons have been a much higher priority for me than rings. the ring planets will only ever have that amount of space (unless Dan gives us something new besides a few more gifts of the spirit). while the extra space on a moon planet will fit every structure you can fit onto a ring planet plus more.

so if you have a planet with luminous rings with 30% total production buff .. versus luminous moons with 30% more space .. i think i would still favour moons. not counting invincible planets, my best mega.colossal with luminous moons is making 4930 arti per hour from a base arti production level of 160. my best mega.colossal with rings is making 4905 arti per hour from a base arti production of 118. so 35.6% more space for a 0.5% higher production .. so moons still a hair better in my situation.

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Post Re: Rings or Moons?
Thank you! That was exactly the information I needed for someone doing their mission Dyson


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xencindy wrote:
I know there used to be a lot of debates, Rings vs Moons. What did you all figure out?


For me planets with Rings are way better than planets with large moons, but I don't have the medal which can improve them yet to luminous.


There are a limited number of artifacts which gives 2+ ap per space, so in the planet with large moons you will end up putting artis with only 1 ap per space or even non-upgraded hyperforges, which will give less proportionally, that's basic math. It is somewhat compensated by the artis giving %production and/or cloak and no ap but that won't compensate for all of it. Basically if you look at production level, on a planet with LM you will have less than 120% of the level of a planet with rings in most cases.
On top of that lots of artis are limited in numbers (unless you have unlimited money and time to npc) and you will need more artis for LM planets and might end up short for other planets and use more hyperforges...


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Post Re: Rings or Moons?
i like both moons as rings civ my most productive planet (not paid planet or dyson) has upgraded rings

Mining 15x Mega Rich 3914 units/hr
Artifact 22x Mega Rich 6399 units/hr
Research 17x Mega Rich 2158 units/hr
and produces ike that
i like both moons and ring. better like ring since i less need to collect arti in npc gp item ect

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IMO, Rings win over moons for 2 reasons ...

1) If you put your highest production artis on to fill the original space, rings will give you an extra 20% of that production. Moons cant possible improve on that....You'd have to fill the extra 20% space with artis that are better than the ones already on the planet.
2) if you need to fill less space, you can save some limited artifacts for another planet.


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IMO, Rings win over moons for 2 reasons ...

1) If you put your highest production artis on to fill the original space, rings will give you an extra 20% of that production. Moons cant possible improve on that....You'd have to fill the extra 20% space with artis that are better than the ones already on the planet.
2) if you need to fill less space, you can save some limited artifacts for another planet.


your thesis only holds if it assumes that Dan will never release better structures. since that isn't the case, moons are better since you can always fit any new more productive structures into the extra space. ringed planets are stuck with the non.extractables already in place .. so you would have to destroy a previously optimized structure in order to place a new one.

gift of the spirit helps both types, but helps moon planets more, since the space buffs stack with the transcender expansions.

do i regret that 7 of my 10 non.prismatic invincible planets are ringed vs moons ? no, i made the most productive planets i had at the time invincible ones, and those were, of course, ringed planets along the lines of your thesis. but as i get more inhibitors in the future, the selection will move towards mooned planets.

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Post Re: Rings or Moons?
senatorhung wrote:
Cut wrote:
IMO, Rings win over moons for 2 reasons ...

1) If you put your highest production artis on to fill the original space, rings will give you an extra 20% of that production. Moons cant possible improve on that....You'd have to fill the extra 20% space with artis that are better than the ones already on the planet.
2) if you need to fill less space, you can save some limited artifacts for another planet.


your thesis only holds if it assumes that Dan will never release better structures. since that isn't the case, moons are better since you can always fit any new more productive structures into the extra space. ringed planets are stuck with the non.extractables already in place .. so you would have to destroy a previously optimized structure in order to place a new one.

gift of the spirit helps both types, but helps moon planets more, since the space buffs stack with the transcender expansions.

do i regret that 7 of my 10 non.prismatic invincible planets are ringed vs moons ? no, i made the most productive planets i had at the time invincible ones, and those were, of course, ringed planets along the lines of your thesis. but as i get more inhibitors in the future, the selection will move towards mooned planets.


on Ringed planet, I dont see the issue with destroying a previously optimised struct in order to place a new better one. if you have a moon planet you would have to keep the optimised struct and use the better one to achieve less prod.

Gift of spirit helps both mooned and ringed planets the same. I agree you do get more extra space when used on moons, but the prod on those spaces does not get the rings production increase.


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