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One thing I have noticed about battles is this: Against bases, if you have 450 atk and hit a level 6 glass base, you will do about 400+ DMG. So you should cap level 5 and below glass bases? WRONG! You will be doing about 190-220 against a glass level 5. This also works in PvP. If someone has similar stats to you, but you have a bigger ship, my findings are that the bigger ship gets hit for more. Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?


The maximum damage that can be inflicted upon a ship (the damage cap) is 1/2 of the decks or (rank +19) / 2, whichever is larger

Damage is calculated roughly as follows:

Damage per shot = tanh( attack*(random(0.6 to 1.666)) / (defense * 5) ) * damagecap


Forgive me, you will have to explain better. I'm talking about the fact that someone with an SSB with 1.2k attack but about 700 def will get hit for less but not capped, whereas I will get hit for more than they will. Even though I'm stronger. (These stats are with Spy Probes). That is my point here...what gives?

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Post Re: Looking for PvP advice
TheBandit wrote:
chiaro:scuro wrote:
TheBandit wrote:
One thing I have noticed about battles is this: Against bases, if you have 450 atk and hit a level 6 glass base, you will do about 400+ DMG. So you should cap level 5 and below glass bases? WRONG! You will be doing about 190-220 against a glass level 5. This also works in PvP. If someone has similar stats to you, but you have a bigger ship, my findings are that the bigger ship gets hit for more. Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?


The maximum damage that can be inflicted upon a ship (the damage cap) is 1/2 of the decks or (rank +19) / 2, whichever is larger

Damage is calculated roughly as follows:

Damage per shot = tanh( attack*(random(0.6 to 1.666)) / (defense * 5) ) * damagecap


Forgive me, you will have to explain better. I'm talking about the fact that someone with an SSB with 1.2k attack but about 700 def will get hit for less but not capped, whereas I will get hit for more than they will. Even though I'm stronger. (These stats are with Spy Probes). That is my point here...what gives?


NB: I don't think this formula has been confirmed by Dan, but I trust the players that came up with it xD

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If you look at the formula, the "attack" refers to your attack, "defense" refers to the enemy ship's defense, and "damagecap" refers to the enemy ship's damage cap when you are attacking (either decks/2 or [rank+19]/2). At the same time, it can be used to calculate the damage you take, since it's also attack of the enemy ship versus your defense, as a percentage of your damage cap.

The "random" refers to a random number between 0.6 and 1.666.

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Applying damage per shot = tanh( attack*(random(0.6 to 1.666)) / (defense * 5) ) * damagecap:

Let's say both you and your enemy have 5000 attack and 1000 defense, and the enemy has 500 decks (damage cap is 250) while you have 2000 decks (damage cap is 1000). We'll use 1 as the random number.

The first portion of the formula, tanh (attack*(random number, in this case 1)) / (defense*5), will give you 0.76, or 76% of the damage cap. Multiplied by the damage cap, this gives 190 damage against their ship vs 760 damage against your ship.

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Now let's say you have 10000 attack and 2000 defense (1000 cap), while the enemy ship has 5000 attack and 1000 defense (250 cap). We'll still use 1 as the attack multiplier because the math is prettier that way.

You'll do tanh [ (10000 * 1) / (1000 * 5) ] * 250 damage, or 241 damage, to their ship (you hit 96% of their cap).
They'll do tanh [ 5000 * 1) / (2000 * 5) ] * 1000 damage, or 462 damage, to your ship (they hit 46% of your cap).

Again, that's because damage done is a percent of the damage cap.

Does that make a bit more sense?

p.s. if anyone wants to check my math, please feel free. I'm using a very questionable calculator right now

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Post Re: Looking for PvP advice
TheBandit wrote:
One thing I have noticed about battles is this: Against bases, if you have 450 atk and hit a level 6 glass base, you will do about 400+ DMG. So you should cap level 5 and below glass bases? WRONG! You will be doing about 190-220 against a glass level 5. This also works in PvP. If someone has similar stats to you, but you have a bigger ship, my findings are that the bigger ship gets hit for more. Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?

PvP damage caps

base damage caps

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Post Re: Looking for PvP advice
Senatorhung, I'm sorry but the PvP post seems like a TL:DR kind of part of the thread. Chiaro, your idea seems better, the logic anyway. Forget about the math. I kind of understand it a lot more now. I think

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TheBandit wrote:
Senatorhung, I'm sorry but the PvP post seems like a TL:DR kind of part of the thread. Chiaro, your idea seems better, the logic anyway. Forget about the math. I kind of understand it a lot more now. I think

the combat equation is on the wiki here: http://galaxylegion.com/wiki/index.php/ ... roximation

i've added a link to it from the PvP damage cap page.

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