The Siladon Event: Fair

10/12 Task 1 (completions: 237)
2/9 Task 2 (completions: 30)
6/8 Task 3 (completions: 120)

Added. Thank you.

went thru every one of the tables and added a second column for each task to distinguish between full completions and partials ... also got rid of the column sorting since it didn't add anything.

now we just need moar data

no, you dont need more data, what you realy need is better and smart data...
some of the data you have loged is at bedst misleading

just becourse some one loged a success chance high result by havving x, y, z (,q) compeltions on the 3 (or 4) tasks doesnt realy give you the minimum condition needed for high

you need data from a few missions that all had a high result to narow the it down, and once you have your first estimate the realy interesting data becomes when you have a fair chance, with x, y, z and the mission changes to high when someone doessome work on one of the tasks so you get x, y, z = fair, x, y, z+1 = high
and once you have confirmed minimum completions needed on that task, you can then start to see how few completions on the other you can reduce it to and still get a high chance



as for partials vs full completions, unless you also log how mutch work have been done for each partial (or total work done), that data is more or less useless

if you take Encounter at Nabai, Task 1: Retrieve Exodrone Specimens
as far as I can tell, when it comes to success chance, how many partials/completions you have doesnt realy matter
it is your total number of Silthion Exodrones killed, that tricker the change from success chance fair to success chance high

and my bedst guess is it the same with all other tasks

without knowing what someone else got for high chance (full completions plus partial), it is difficult to know when to keep watch over the changeover. hence the data collection. the more data, the easier to determine when the switchover happens, whether it is full completions, or total task completions. by separating out the full and partials, this can be more readily determined, whereas the initial tables only included the total number of task completions.

since you are only speculating yourself, based on your own fulsome experience, without being able to nail down the particulars in 2 years of trying, why not use the resources of the crowd to try to get some better starting points ? of course, another possibility is that you already know these inflection points and are just trying to prevent other legions from getting that info ... which is a perfectly valid tactic. but you've been willing to provide other info for the wiki, so i find that unlikely.

the other reason i supported Pitch's initiative was because there is very little on the wiki about individual legions in the game. i thought this would be a way to highlight some active legions as a record of their history. hence my request for moar data !

I already have access to detailed data from 250+ LM's, with presisly how many did each task,(including partial completiomns, fails etc) the success chance, and where or not the mission was a sucess or not

usealy log it in this format.... task 1 / task 2 / task 3 / (task 4) = (quick overview of completions/partials): success chance - fail/success
and (complations / number of partials - total work done / fails) for each task to make it easy to compair data, and have been doing this for 1 year+ (proberly closer to 2 years+, time do fly)

looks like this when you line it up.....

Assault on Crimson Deep-6
(7/5-x/0) / (10/1-x/1) / (12/0-0/0) = (29/6-x/1) Success Chaince: Fair - Success
(9/1-x/0) / (7/0-0/1) / (26/1-x/0) = (42/2-x/1) Success Chance: High - Success
(8/1-x/0) / (7/0-0/0) / (15/0-0/0) = (30/1-x/0) Success Chance: High - Success
(5/5-x/0) / (7/1-x/1) / (26/1-x/0) = (38/7-x/1) Success Chance: Fair - success
(5/2-x/0) / (8/0-0/0) / (25/1-x/0) = (38/3-x/0) Success Chance: Fair - Success
...
...
...
etc etc etc.


didnt always track total work done on partials, and this is some of my old data from SSA - but after we got the new LM's, and I looked closly at my data for Encounter at Nabai, Task 1: Retrieve Exodrone Specimens, it became aprerent that total number of kills on task 1 is all that realy matters, how many completions vs partials didnt seme to have any effect - so started tracking partial work more carefuly after I did that analysis.

so belive me I dont speculate and I already have a good estimate of what is needed for a high chance for most of the LM's
and the once I dont have data from are the once we usealy dont bother even trying to get to a high chance due to imposible race/profession requirements or extreamly high EM/XTS-9 cost for a task that doesnt realy give you anything and have no follow up mission (like Cleanup at Ryelis)

all I'm saying is, if you want to log data for partial completions, do it right and dont repeat my mistake, where i didnt loged total work done on partials for the first 6 months or so
becourse you need that data for an accurate estimate of the chances. I learned that the hard way....


I dont suport Pitch's initiative, becourse this is something ALL legions interested in doing LM's should have been doing from day 1, to make sure theire members got as many relic badges as posible - and I'm not going to help those that are to lazy to do so, by sharing my data
so as I sayed in my first post, Assault on Crimson Deep-6, is the only mission I'll share any data on

the point of my update was to indicate that i had done EXACTLY what you are advocating ... tracking both completions and partials. the fact that you didn't even bother to look at the wiki update before responding just means that you just don't want folks to share the info. that's fine.

http://galaxylegion.com/wiki/index.php/ ... in_Taladar

i posted our results from Mawks round 3 .. we were very surprised to still be at extremely low chance despite 22 overall task completions. so now we will be tweaking things going forward to see how to improve that. yes, each legion could do this themselves, but Mawks round 3 doesn't come along all that often for some legions, so for those of us in that situation, it is much better to pool the information.

Further refining the key Task 2 from The Siladon Event, the requirement for Certain is 15/15 (or perhaps simply the flat 150... no way to know) rather than the 15/16 from the previous result with 2 on the partial completion.

Thank you, so your spread was still 13/15/8?

No mate, had more completions on both 1 and 3 than the last time, but my hypothesis that the second it ticked to 15 full completions on Task 2 that it would click over to Certain was confirmed.
Everyone else was long finished when the final completion on task 2 was done.
As for whether or not the same would happen on 13/15/8 full completions, I would certainly guess so, as the difference in completions on Task 2 was only 2 partials.
Cannot *know* of course, but if I was betting one way or the other I'd guess at 15 fulls being enough.

Foundry of War from Tryptonian Empire
c = complete, p = partial
# p(##) = people with partials(all the partials combined)

*********************************
Final = fair(success)
task 1(1 c), task 2(14 c), task 3(17 c)
*********************************



This was during the mission, it was an early fair. Up to you if you want to use it or not.
task 1(1 c), task 2(3 c, 6 p(56)), task 3(7 c, 5 p(51))

That has been added. Thank you. And thanks once again to everyone that is contributing toward this.

Assault on crimson-6 from tryptonian empire
Task 1(6 C, 1 P), task 2(6 C, 2 F, 21 P), task 3(19 C, 25 P)
Fair-success

The Siladon Event @ TF
We found exactly when we swung from fair to high chance

Chance: Fair
Task 1: 11/12 C (1 @ 4/20)
Task 2: 7 C
Task 3: 7 C

Chance: High
Task 1: 11/12 C (1 @ 4/20)
Task 2: 7 C
Task 3: 8 C

Maybe this event needs 25+ C spread out for high chance? Idk how it's calculated anyways, but hope the data helps.

coolio.

from the data there (The Fallen, The Wild Hunt, Zentzu) .. what we need someone to try next time is to get task3 done 8x first .. then do the other 2 tasks to see when high gets triggered.

certain is obviously not TOTAL number of task completions.

TWH only had high with 14/13/12 (39 tasks completed) .. but had certain with 13/15/8 (36 tasks completed) ... so task2 needs 14 or 15 to get certain (along with task2 needing 8, and task1 needing ??).

of course, it could be a 2 out of 3 situation, or a stagger for each stage (task3 requirement for fair, task1 for high, task2 for certain).

subspace vanguard
League Missions

Disturbance at Ryelis... 01/02/2016 Success Chance: Fair
Task 1..... 11 completions...... 3 none
Task 2..... 2 completions
Task 3..... 14 completions

The Legion Mission Disturbance at Ryelis was successful!
Reward Received: 4 Relic Badge(s)

follow up mission

Cleanup at Ryelis... 04/02/2016 Success Chance: Fair
Task 1...... 17 completions... 4 none
Task 2...... 8 completions... 1 none
Task 3...... 2 completions

The Legion Mission Cleanup at Ryelis was successful!
Reward Received: 5 Relic Badge(s)

Carjean: The Heist..... 06/02/2016 Success Chance: Poor

Task 1..... 5 completions.... 3 none
Task 2..... 5 completions.... 6 none
Task 3..... 2 completions.... 1 none
Task 4..... 2 completions.... 1 none

The Legion Mission Carjean: The Heist has failed.

The Siladon Event.....10/02/2016 Success Chance: High

Task 1.... 14 completions
Task 2.... 8 completions..... 4 none
Task 3.... 9 completions

The Legion Mission The Siladon Event was successful!
Reward Received: 4 Relic Badge(s)

The Hunt for Mawks.............. 13/02/2016 Success Chance: Low

Task 1.... 16 completions...
Task 2.... 14 completions... Task Failed 3

The Legion Mission The Hunt for Mawks has failed.

Hunt for mawks session 3, we went from extremely low to low when we got our 23rd task completion (18 to 19 on task 1, with 4 done on task 2 and 10+1+0 done in partials.)

just added all the info that i could glean from a previous topic covering this info:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33557

the screenshots from namalak were ideal

also added the 'certain' info from: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33713&start=8

Interesting to note the partial completions leading to fair success on Galakis:

Task 1 Completions: 5
Task 1 Partials: 1 (7/20)

Task 2 Completions: 4
Task 2 Partials: 6 (79/120)

Task 3 Completions: 3*
Task 3 Partials: 7 (31/70)

Note that we hit fair before one of those completions was completed (not sure where he was when I'd checked earlier.)

It is more likely a specified number of progress that ticks it over. For example on Mawks Chapter 3, you will not get Certain unless you have 500 progress on each task.