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Post +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
So I've gotten to the point where I can replace a +24 on my rift with items that will make more than +24 in that size 18.

That said, at the bottom of the list of things to add, I have a couple of unrecoverable +2 AP items. I am curious if it is better to use a +1 AP Lepus item that will get boosted by the Bio-Con Controller Unit.

Has anyone run the numbers on this?

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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
ODragon wrote:
So I've gotten to the point where I can replace a +24 on my rift with items that will make more than +24 in that size 18.

That said, at the bottom of the list of things to add, I have a couple of unrecoverable +2 AP items. I am curious if it is better to use a +1 AP Lepus item that will get boosted by the Bio-Con Controller Unit.

Has anyone run the numbers on this?



It should be better but the easiest way to deduce this would be to take your Rift and chuck on a +1 at the end and see what it gets you(double it for your +2 structure) then check what 1% gain is with just the +1 structure.


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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
kirkeastment wrote:
ODragon wrote:
So I've gotten to the point where I can replace a +24 on my rift with items that will make more than +24 in that size 18.

That said, at the bottom of the list of things to add, I have a couple of unrecoverable +2 AP items. I am curious if it is better to use a +1 AP Lepus item that will get boosted by the Bio-Con Controller Unit.

Has anyone run the numbers on this?


It should be better but the easiest way to deduce this would be to take your Rift and chuck on a +1 at the end and see what it gets you(double it for your +2 structure) then check what 1% gain is with just the +1 structure.


Fair enough. I figured there were a lot of math nerds who probably did it.

Either will be a nice boost, able to go from +0/24/0 to 22/37/27 + 2%, I do have to wait for elios though to get the last ones I need.

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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
ODragon wrote:

Fair enough. I figured there were a lot of math nerds who probably did it.

Either will be a nice boost, able to go from +0/24/0 to 22/37/27 + 2%, I do have to wait for elios though to get the last ones I need.


lol there probably might be some nerds who will come in later to reply, but i'd imagine it's a fairly impossible task unless they can take into account every build possible. :D


Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:33 pm
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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
That depends...how many lepus items are you going to place, as each adds 1% when you use bio-con, and what is your total AP?

I currently have 113 AP from structures on my rift.

So, +2 AP is going to be a 1.77% increase (2/113).
If you go with the lepus item, that will be a 0.88% increase 100% of the time (1/113) plus a 1.14% increase for each lepus item somewhere between 0 and 60% of the time.

So, in other words, you are looking at for 1 lepus item a difference of at least about a 0.2% improvement from using the +2 AP building, or at best a 0.49% improvement if you have 2 lepus buildings and go with the bio-con.

Obviously, it'll make a bigger difference the higher your overall AP, as the +2 AP will make less of an improvement and the +% will make more of one.

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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
kirkeastment wrote:
lol there probably might be some nerds who will come in later to reply, but i'd imagine it's a fairly impossible task unless they can take into account every build possible. :D


You don't have to account for every build :)

You just need to know how many lepus buildings there will be and the total AP (assuming you don't care about mining or research gains or losses.)

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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
Texas Toast wrote:
Obviously, it'll make a bigger difference the higher your overall AP, as the +2 AP will make less of an improvement and the +% will make more of one.


AP would go from 136AP + 2% biocon to 149 AP + 4% biocon alternatively just 151AP + 2% biocon.

IE, I have 2 Lepus Drones on the planet, would be adding a Lepus Bio-Mech Hypergate + Lepus Bio-Nest.

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Post Re: +2 AP all the time or +1 AP +1% boost (only 24/40 hours)
If you NPC regularly:

  • Extract Omnistream Gateway or other extractable 3:2 structure
  • Replace with a Hatchery and (extractable version of) Lepus Gateway
  • Use Bio-Con Controller Unit's Fabulous Magic Powers
  • Extract Hatchery and Gateway
  • Replace with previously extracted 3:2 structure

If you don't NPC regularly, keep a gateway on and omit the hatchery.

It's been a while since I ran the numbers; iirc, I think you'll make slightly less overall due to the 16 "down hours," but I suspect next year we'll get a reduced cooldown or increased length of effect, so it's what I got in the habit of doing (since I don't have enough extractors to maintain the "ideal" practice listed above).


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