Is a legion responsible for its members?

I say yes and the reasons are simple.

1) A legion benefits from each member as long as they are active
2) A legion gains planetary bonuses for that member as long as it is active.
3) If a member grows in rank or resources, the legion will benefit in turn
4) Most legions require members to interact with the rest of the legion and boot those who go inactive
5) Most legions have some sort of rules, or code of conduct
6) A legion has a leader and officers for a reason. They are in charge of the people underneath them
7) A legion is a group with special privileges that are not granted to those outside the group. Not an individual with no ties to the rest.

Since a legion obviously benefits from its members and the decisions they make, how can anyone say a legion is also not responsible for those same things they benefit from? (for example, a planet he/she takes and then shares the artifacts or minerals from)

And by having some requirements for their members, a legions is being responsible for those members. Otherwise the officers would have no right or reason to enforce those rules.

I vote yes.

Legion are by definition responsible of the members composite by. If not, it's not really a Legion.

+1... blows sometimes cause of the junk that lands on the leader's head, but yes, legions rise and fall by the actions of the members.

is a legion responsible for the action of a member if they are not aware of that one player's actions?

if the leadership is asked about a player within their legion, it is then their responsibility to investigate and then act upon the results (intimidation by rank superiority should not influence these investigations). if the leadership fails to accept these responsibilities, by all means, everyone is THEN held responsible.

so agreement to your poll is situational and time sensitive.

suggestion: find an objective third party to investigate. this outside party should not have any ties to the involved nor have anything to gain from the situation. doubt many would offer their time and efforts for such...but i would...

No. A legion is not responsible for the actions of a single individual. UNLESS - that legion knew the actions were going to occur beforehand (and this can be proven).

I feel this way for the following reasons:

1) Just personally, I think that people should take responsibility for their actions, and think punishing people who were not involved in the action is a piss-poor thing to do.

2) The game is coded to allow retaliation against a single player, by multiple players. Thus the game is coded for individual responsibility.

3) I don't see a legion as a benefit - instead I see not being in a legion as a detriment. If you are not in a legion, you do not get a HIGE planetary defense bonus. You do not get to trade artifacts. You will rarely get rares. You will be preferentially attacked by everyone else because they know you cannot alert them. Because of this, many people in smaller legions at least, are there just to get a fair shake in the game.

You really should add more options. The decision usually falls either way depending on the circumstances.

Zophah, I disagree. That is like saying a parent is only responsible some of the time for its family or a company is only responsible some of the time for its employees. The lack of consistency in a legion's position is a sign of weakness and no integrity, not a lack of options.

if the leader of my legion (who lives in a whole other country btw) told me how to play my game i would tell him to do one.
this is probably why i'm not in one of the billboards top 100 legions atm lol

I disagree with 3-7. While some legions operate this way I suspect most legions are just groups of players wanting the planet bonuses and npc shares. While the legion members benefit from each other that does not make them responsible for the actions of all members. If anyone was responsible for the other legion members it would be the leaders because they decide who is part of the legion.

While that may be the way the legion operates, individuals being self centered and only being concerned with a planet bonus or NPC share is not the purpose of a legion.

A legion member chooses what legion he is a part of. He is not conscripted and is free to leave at anytime. He is effectively voting and supporting the legion with his statistic. Therefore that member is responsible just the same as I would be responsible if I joined Al Qaeda because I wanted the AK-47 bonus and virgin shares.

Your examples fall flat because parents are not always responsible for their family, and corporations are not always responsible for their employees.

Look... when you are battling for a black and white answer to an issue people are telling you is gray, either you have a hold of one of those very rare issues where you are RIGHT, or you are fighting so much to be right that you are not seriously considering what is being said in response.

Have to agree with Threadbare here Kaos.

you are asking for a black and white answer to a question that has so many shades of grey in it here.

First off this is a game and I don't know too many people here that take the actions of one player that seriously. It's a game if you want parenthood then I suggest turning off the computer and focusing on your family life. Where you can control things much better.

Kaos you seem bent on this theory that A legion is responsible for it's members 100% of the time. These posts keep appearing and the discussion is always the same. Some say yes and some say no.

Speaking as a Legion Leader we have our own take on it. If someone violates our rules of engagement then they are on their own simple as that. We do not and will not defend someone that violates our established rules.

Should I judge you based on the actions of your Legion mates and your those of your sister Legion????? No I do not. Nevermind the fact that your Legion mates continually farm lower ranked players for badges when you sit here on the forums and talk about all the "BIGGER PLAYER" killing you do. I have, on a number of occasions, came online in the morning to find one of your members mid 200's has attempted to Badge farm me. If I'm not mistaken about the only thing any of them has managed to gain is a badge for hacking.

From what I've seen you yourself post I do not guess you spend a lot of time hitting people 50+ levels below you just for badges. Yet plenty of your legion mates do so because there isn't usually too much retaliation for hitting the upper level players of a lower ranked legion.

Do I hold you accountable for it??? No I do not. Nor do I "RETALIATE" for their wasted energy. They wasted it and it's gone. If they run into my traps then they miss out on the badges they were searching for. and are quite often delayed in getting further badges. That's all the retaliation I need. And I don't blame you for their actions. Nor do I blame the entire Legion because some of your members don't have the guts to hit someone their own size or larger. I don't badge farm. I do retaliate if I am able to do so on occasion but I don't alert people larger then myself to my Legion.

If you yourself want to blame a Legion for the actions of one player that is your choice. You don't need to keep coming here seeking approval for it. Simply do so on your own.

honestly although a leader is not directly responsible for the actions of its members, the leader is responsible for actions affecting other legions and orchestrating either peace or war based on the circumstance.

it IS like a parent with a child. although you cant stop your child from taking action, be it good or bad, the parent is responsible for descisions that affect other families. like when a kid shoplifts. often its the parent who steps in and remedies the situation, usually by forcing restitution on the kids.