I'm sure you are all aware of this:



So, keeping accusations out, if you guys care to discuss how it happened, why it happened, what can be done to fix what happened, be my guest.

Eots does report bugs soo yea, you can eat those words.

Attacking someone with a phone and computer at the same time would let you attack faster.
A lot cheaper than upgrading your internet or computer.
Might let some people keep up with ships like Romanoid.

Darth come on, you allied yourself with nocifier deathblade who said himself that the best way to get dan to fix an issue was to abuse it. Maybe fluffy is carrying on that legacy? You find a bug, you poke it a little so you can give dan an educated report on the issue. If you can say "Dan, I can recreate this bug over and over. This is what I do" then you've done a good job of reporting it. Don't do it a thousand times, do it two or three then message.

No, this isn't the same as duplicating GP bought items.
It's like double base kills.
Unless you wanna just group them all as lag issues then sure.

If someone from Eots was banned every time hallucinations made an accusation then we would be missing a lot of people. He always sounds so sure of us cheating!

Eots has never had a member banned. Maybe someone has been banned since leaving??? Idk.
Take it up with Dan so he can ignore you bc ya know Eots probably just pays dan to not ban us or maybe Dans cousin is in Eots so we get super special treatment.

Tell Dan he needs to Google a phenomenon called a data race condition. Fixing the flaws in his design will fix this and almost all past "exploits"

Lol I did contact Dan. No reply and its been 48 hours?

Should I just let people break the T&C's then?



You are forgetting there is plain as day evidence of someone breaking the T&C's. (That time it may have been by accident.)
Is that screenshot not clear enough to show there is a problem?

Then you have Wolfy changing his words every 5 mins; In 1 post he says multi raiding gives twice the minerals but only 1 badge, in the last post he says he doesn't know if it works. So which is a lie and which is the truth? And then whines about people spamming artis and says he will continue to cheat but only defensively lol. To me he is saying; "I'm going to continue to abuse and use this glitch and continue to break the terms and conditions of the game, BUT only defensively!"

Why is that people stand by cheaters no matter who they are? Cheaters are killing this game can't you see that? We need to get rid of the people cheating, or manipulating the game to their advantage or make it so they cannot do it.

Like I said the only way multi disables are going away is a complete overhaul of how we battle.

As for multiple devices, adding it to the ToS won't do a thing. It is impossible to monitor, as long as they don't use it in pvp offensively. It is idealistic to think Dan can enforce such a thing. I can accuse you of it and you have no way to prove one way or the other. Same with multiple people on an account tbh, but hey he added it so maybe he will add this and....noting will change.

"I only saw 3 instances of this happening." - You multi disabled 3 people during your pvp run, why did you not stop the first time and report it to dan rather than continue to abuse the glitch?

Also I was a bit buzzed so I found it absolutely hilarious.

So someone's clicking away killing god damn loads of people at a rather fast rate, I imagine, and a glitch happens like... Once in every one hundred times.

Firstly, it's hardly 'exploiting' a glitch if you've got no real way of preventing it... And from what I can gather, they would have to click slower to prevent this glitch as the only solution. Not too unreasonable until you consider that if you take twice as long per click then your one or two hour badge run becomes two to four hours long. On top of that, this is for that fluke 1 in 100 chance of your kill click (Which you cannot accurately predict) being a double click.

Yep... I see no reason for Dan to NOT ban these guys!

Not sure I agree with your comment Malevolentia , so what you are saying is its ok doing this as if you didnt it would take to long to kill people normally ? Really ?

The whole issue is, as I see it, is whether a glitch happens on accident or is being intentionally used. In this case, it was being used intentionally as per Wolfy's own words. And per his own words, he will continue to use it but only for defense, which is a clear violation of the TOS.

Using my computer to cage when I have someone debuffing me for hours on end is not a glitch. The double disable glitch is something completely different.

I'm saying that, whilst the glitch is a problem that needs to be sorted out, it doesn't seem like something that's reasonable for people to go out of their way for or get banned otherwise.

Using two devices to play the game on the same account at the same time is not a "glitch", nor is it, at present, against the ToS.


So really, until such time that Dan intervenes and makes using two devices to play one account simultaneously a violation of the ToS(in writing and in-game, not just here on the forums), there is nothing legally binding or otherwise to prevent such a tactic. So how you can actually ask for a ban to be levied against a player who hasn't violated the ToS is beyond simple reason.

The fact that multiple disables can occur is a byproduct of the server's inability to handle multiple requests at the same time, seen with planet invasions, planet abandons and other such occurrences within the confines of the game. Fix the way that the server handles requests and you'll see the end of these things.


Also, can everyone just grow up one iota for once, and actually handle your grievances the proper way, which is that if you think someone is a cheater or hacking the game, or in general committing "wrong doings", then you have the ability to send those facets to Dan for him to investigate.

Spreading your own insights on the forums as though they were fact, only serves one purpose, to garner support for your own vendetta's against said person/persons or/and their legion/legions, or it could just be a way to draw attention to yourself, whomever you might be.

Even if you have proof of the matter, it should be sent to Dan and not posted on the forums. Much in the same manner that i sent my "concern" over DeathofShadow's NPC kill count after hearing that the math just didn't add up in regards to his NPC's killed in a certain time-frame, and he was consequentially banned from the game.

In terms of solutions, I think a decent start would be to explicitly outlaw using multiple devices simultaneously on a single account.

Personally, I believe that deliberate and prolonged use (in contrast to Wolfy's experimentation) could easily fall within the realms of:
However, judging from the discussion so far, it seems that a more definitive statement might be in order.

For the life of me I just don't understand how it can be considered as anything other than an exploit:
By playing the same ship on two devices at the same time (clearly not the designer's intention I would guess), a player is deliberately doubling the damage they can inflict in a certain timeframe.
Whoever is on the receiving end, be it a base, player or NPC, is receiving twice the damage it should be possible to inflict by the ship itself, without its "twin" being used.
For all I know, they may also be doubling their attack for no more energy... if the game allows double disables from the same player in this fashion, who am I to say it doesn't also fail to deduct 5 energy for each click from the extra device.

The end result is exactly the same as any other form of manipulating the system, you can do more damage than you should be able to within a certain amount of time.
To me, that fits very neatly into the same rule which rightly bans autoclickers, scripts and whatever else people use to gain materials or access that would otherwise not be possible.

So perhaps explicitly outlawing it is not a bad place to start, though I still believe the ToS covers a situation like this in exactly the same way it bans other forms of wrongdoing.

Yup I know, using multiple devices is not what I am saying is the problem here but it wouldn't be possible to create the problem without using two devices.

- Said person is using two devices to create a glitch/exploit that otherwise would never happen.
- Said person is now doing it more then once and not reporting the glitch/exploit to the game developer.

There is nothing wrong with using two devices, but to use two devices to test the parameters of the game is wrong and clearly against T&C's

If you find a bug in the game you report it to Dan or post it in the issues/support thread as this whole glitch/exploit is a issue.
(exactly what I have done, PM'd Dan = got no response so I posted it on the forums to discuss the problem at hand)

Why do you think Dan has his own ships in the game? To test any bugs/glitches/exploits we may accidentally come across, and new content etc etc. It is not our job to do so.



First off EoTs has nothing to do with this thread, wolfys actions are just exactly that.

I'm not trying to get anyone from specifically EoTs banned! I didn't even bring EoTs into this situation? Its not like being in EoTs gives you immunity, everyone has to follow the T&C's if you break them well you pay the price.

Definitely uses more energy. I could see that much, not sure about the raids.

I can click 11 times in a second, but due to my connection the game only receives about 4. There are those who have connections who can actually keep up and click 11 times and have all them go through. Are you saying because my connection I should be handicapped, while others can "exploit" their connection?



Okay okay, in the spirit of this thread.

Dear Dan,

You know that glitch that was brought up 2 years ago here. Then you exacerbated by adding stacking alerts about 9 months later. Then a few months later, people got fed up and brought it to your attention by screaming bloody murder. So you just nerfed the rewards by closing the window of inputs slightly, rather than actually changing how the game collects data as previously mentioned in this thread. And when I mentioned it, and again no one cared? Ya well now that we have even more effects on our ships that calculations to do a single hit take a bit longer and sometimes people can manage to get a disable at the same time as someone else. It is upsetting people. Could you fix this?

my message to Dan would be different , it would go for another slant :

Hey Dan , I think as Wolfy plays this game far too much than is healthy you should do him a favour and ban him - it would be an act of kindness really and I'm sure he would thank you for it . Remember its for his own good ,
regards ,
signed Everyone in his badge range XD

Good news about the energy reacting properly and would like to point out that I am in no way trying to have a go at you.
I am more than happy to take you at your word that it was an offensive experiment to check it out.

Regarding evening the playing field however, I just can't agree.
It seems to me that the same excuse could be made to allow autoclickers/mouse assist/twin ships/whatever for anyone with carpal tunnel, poor motor skills, bad connection, an extreme hangover, wonky mouse... you get the picture

It's just too blatantly open for abuse and clearly circumvents the game mechanics by having two versions of the same ship attacking at once.

Double disables by different ships are down to the game mechanics, though probably also open to exploitation as a result, much as with the base problems you provided links to.
Double disables by the same ship just really shouldn't be happening imo, especially if that condition is easily repeatable over a single PvP run using the "double ship method".

Dan isn't going to ban one of his friends, even if they do cheat or knowingly use an exploit. Don't blame Wolfy, blame Dan - he's the one who can't program. Whether someone is using it as exploit or not, it still needs to be fixed.

You're quick to slag off dans programming where is your game then that is so brilliantly programmed?