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The description of the halcyon trap and the Calming Amplifier. The Calming Amplifier states "Prevents your ship being attacked,but also prevents your ship from ATTACKING.Last 4 hours". Then the Halcyon Trap states "Trap 1 week, When applied,an attacking ship has a chance to cause you to be pacified for 2 hours,being unable to ATTACK or be attacked by others.This trap will be REMOVED if you perform any offensive actions again"



So attacking a base is not a offensive action?

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You guys didnt seem to have much of a problem when your guys did it and we made a post about it, dont know why your complaining now. And seeing as weve already called this to Dan's attention and he hasnt done/said anything about it I dont see how we could be banned for it.

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I never said people should be banned, it just needs to be changed, using game mechanics in a wrongful way. Simple as that.

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You guys didnt seem to have much of a problem when your guys did it and we made a post about it, dont know why your complaining now. And seeing as weve already called this to Dan's attention and he hasnt done/said anything about it I dont see how we could be banned for it.




Please myself do not even want to come close to the word banning it is ridiculous but the fact that it has to change their is no question.

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The description of the halcyon trap and the Calming Amplifier. The Calming Amplifier states "Prevents your ship being attacked,but also prevents your ship from ATTACKING.Last 4 hours". Then the Halcyon Trap states "Trap 1 week, When applied,an attacking ship has a chance to cause you to be pacified for 2 hours,being unable to ATTACK or be attacked by others.This trap will be REMOVED if you perform any offensive actions again"



So attacking a base is not a offensive action?


Okay, so what NPCing?

By your logic, you can't use a Calming amp while NPCing.

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I admit, BOTH SIDES HAVE USED IT!

But this is an actual bad thing for the game, It is a PvP move, So you shouldn't be Amp'd...

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You guys didnt seem to have much of a problem when your guys did it and we made a post about it, dont know why your complaining now. And seeing as weve already called this to Dan's attention and he hasnt done/said anything about it I dont see how we could be banned for it.


No, I wasn't even aware of this serious serious exploitation. No Dysonians told me about this when we attacked 3 level 7 bases. We kept getting CM'ed by Fluffy and few others all the time and we stayed unbuffed for most fights and we were attacked by them.. I never heard of this serious exploitation til I learned about almost all of your base attackers taking advantage of this serious glitch and able to attack Unknown base unscathed while we all are unable to CM, debuff or fight your attackers.. Heck, I never knew this and I got debuffed, attacked, CM over 300 times, etc when I was fighting all 3 bases and I never used any kind of pacification or something like that so are so many dysonians.. IF few of them did use that, they didn't even inform me or Triumvirate cuz if I find out about their exploitation, I would get mad and report to Dan..

For that, I do expect that your legion is enjoying this serious exploitation and use this same exploitation to attack Dysonian's base as next target as soon as possible before Dan fixes this bug.. We will have to be fully prepared for this even though we would not be able to attack any of you. Right now, all online dominions that I find are ALL on truce and they STILL can attack base.. Wow! SERIOUS EXPLOITATION!!

Heck, you can ask Fluffy that he didn't face truced Dysonians when we attacked 3 level 7 bases AT all..

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You guys didnt seem to have much of a problem when your guys did it and we made a post about it, dont know why your complaining now. And seeing as weve already called this to Dan's attention and he hasnt done/said anything about it I dont see how we could be banned for it.


No, I wasn't even aware of this serious serious exploitation. No Dysonians told me about this when we attacked 3 level 7 bases. We kept getting CM'ed by Fluffy and few others all the time and we stayed unbuffed for most fights and we were attacked by them.. I never heard of this serious exploitation til I learned about almost all of your base attackers taking advantage of this serious glitch and able to attack Unknown base unscathed while we all are unable to CM, debuff or fight your attackers.. Heck, I never knew this and I got debuffed, attacked, CM over 300 times, etc when I was fighting all 3 bases and I never used any kind of pacification or something like that so are so many dysonians.. IF few of them did use that, they didn't even inform me or Triumvirate cuz if I find out about their exploitation, I would get mad and report to Dan..

For that, I do expect that your legion is enjoying this serious exploitation and use this same exploitation to attack Dysonian's base as next target as soon as possible before Dan fixes this bug.. We will have to be fully prepared for this even though we would not be able to attack any of you.


As has been stated a few times already, Dan was informed of it when the Triumvirate attacked the other level 7s, and nobody complained about it long before that anyway, mostly because for nobody else would it even matter. But yes, Dan was informed by people from those 3 Legions about this already.


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Wow.. Just when you thought dominion cant get even lower resulting to petty tactics and exploits...


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As has been stated a few times already, Dan was informed of it when the Triumvirate attacked the other level 7s, and nobody complained about it long before that anyway, mostly because for nobody else would it even matter. But yes, Dan was informed by people from those 3 Legions about this already.


That's new to me. Need links.. I wasn't even aware til now. :( If I found out long time ago, I would campaign to get it fixed asap.. Fluffy was able to CM all of us when we were attacking their bases.. We weren't even truced unless some members kept it quiet without my knowledge. ;(

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As has been stated a few times already, Dan was informed of it when the Triumvirate attacked the other level 7s, and nobody complained about it long before that anyway, mostly because for nobody else would it even matter. But yes, Dan was informed by people from those 3 Legions about this already.


That's new to me. Need links.. I wasn't even aware til now. :( If I found out long time ago, I would campaign to get it fixed asap.. Fluffy was able to CM all of us when we were attacking their bases.. We weren't even truced unless some members kept it quiet without my knowledge. ;(



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The description of the halcyon trap and the Calming Amplifier. The Calming Amplifier states "Prevents your ship being attacked,but also prevents your ship from ATTACKING.Last 4 hours". Then the Halcyon Trap states "Trap 1 week, When applied,an attacking ship has a chance to cause you to be pacified for 2 hours,being unable to ATTACK or be attacked by others.This trap will be REMOVED if you perform any offensive actions again"



So attacking a base is not a offensive action?


Okay, so what NPCing?

By your logic, you can't use a Calming amp while NPCing.




NPC=NON PLAYER COMBAT. First question answered.

Just to explain my logic . It works for Player vs Player right (PvP).Attacking base is not NPC it is another form of PvP. Attacking a planet is another form of PvP.

What do you think the reaction will be for example if you do not like to pvp use the two above mentioned artifacts and can only do missions or contribute to the base and no NPC their will be a public out cry. I think it is clear from the post and from the people that this post is about a factor of PvP and the artifacts used to prohibit the one party to partake in this factor of PvP while the other party has full access to a PVP factor namely base attacking.

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So, if that does mean that we can get truced and attack bases? If it's legal then I could instruct my legion to employ this tactic to take down your and other legion's bases much easier.. But that is really cheap-shot tactic and very 1-sided.. If Dan wants to keep this as is, we would have to be forced to use this cheap-shot tactic for next high level base attack.. It's really stupid..

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Cothordin wrote:
You guys didnt seem to have much of a problem when your guys did it and we made a post about it, dont know why your complaining now. And seeing as weve already called this to Dan's attention and he hasnt done/said anything about it I dont see how we could be banned for it.


No, I wasn't even aware of this serious serious exploitation. No Dysonians told me about this when we attacked 3 level 7 bases. We kept getting CM'ed by Fluffy and few others all the time and we stayed unbuffed for most fights and we were attacked by them.. I never heard of this serious exploitation til I learned about almost all of your base attackers taking advantage of this serious glitch and able to attack Unknown base unscathed while we all are unable to CM, debuff or fight your attackers.. Heck, I never knew this and I got debuffed, attacked, CM over 300 times, etc when I was fighting all 3 bases and I never used any kind of pacification or something like that so are so many dysonians.. IF few of them did use that, they didn't even inform me or Triumvirate cuz if I find out about their exploitation, I would get mad and report to Dan..

For that, I do expect that your legion is enjoying this serious exploitation and use this same exploitation to attack Dysonian's base as next target as soon as possible before Dan fixes this bug.. We will have to be fully prepared for this even though we would not be able to attack any of you. Right now, all online dominions that I find are ALL on truce and they STILL can attack base.. Wow! SERIOUS EXPLOITATION!!

Heck, you can ask Fluffy that he didn't face truced Dysonians when we attacked 3 level 7 bases AT all..

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What if it's a bug Dan can't easily fix? Should you benefit from it until he does? I don't think so. We can say it's on you, or we can say it's on Dan for not telling you to not use it, but as far as I'm concerned it should be implied and if you take advantage of it, you should face some form of penalty for doing so. I'd actually like to know Dan's thoughts on that statement, because I can see a whole lot of cheating going on if Dan's policy is you can cheat all you want as long as you report the exploit to him first.



Easy. If we don't do it, all other players do it and will use against us. What should we do? Stand by and be victim? Nah, we do the same against them (survival of the fittest). By doing those exploits while letting Dan know all the time actually will PUSH him to work harder to fix the exploit then our job is achieved ASAP.. If we don't do it and all other players don't do it (there will be players who use it in secret) then exploit wouldn't be fixed ASAP. We have to PUSH Dan all the time to fix bugs/exploits etc ASAP by doing it and it works all the time so far.. But of course, anything related to multi-account or botting or whatever that is outside Dan's control. We do not practice them at all. As long as it's within Dan's control and within game and inform him, we (not just us, many non-Dysonians practice it too) practice it to push him to fix it.. I loathe botting so bad that I would kick Dysonians out if they practice it..

While im not doing this because I do feel that it is exploitation, i guess the dominion is just as helpful to the game as you are Noci. ;D

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gert wrote:
The description of the halcyon trap and the Calming Amplifier. The Calming Amplifier states "Prevents your ship being attacked,but also prevents your ship from ATTACKING.Last 4 hours". Then the Halcyon Trap states "Trap 1 week, When applied,an attacking ship has a chance to cause you to be pacified for 2 hours,being unable to ATTACK or be attacked by others.This trap will be REMOVED if you perform any offensive actions again"



So attacking a base is not a offensive action?


Okay, so what NPCing?

By your logic, you can't use a Calming amp while NPCing.




NPC=NON PLAYER COMBAT. First question answered.

Just to explain my logic . It works for Player vs Player right (PvP).Attacking base is not NPC it is another form of PvP. Attacking a planet is another form of PvP.

What do you think the reaction will be for example if you do not like to pvp use the two above mentioned artifacts and can only do missions or contribute to the base and no NPC their will be a public out cry. I think it is clear from the post and from the people that this post is about a factor of PvP and the artifacts used to prohibit the one party to partake in this factor of PvP while the other party has full access to a PVP factor namely base attacking.


The calming amp just says attacking. It never specifies. It only specifies in how it is removed.

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No, no Cothordin!!!! You stole my idea to use that quote!!!! Gaaaahhhh!!!!

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So, if that does mean that we can get truced and attack bases? If it's legal then I could instruct my legion to employ this tactic to take down your and other legion's bases much easier.. But that is really cheap-shot tactic and very 1-sided.. If Dan wants to keep this as is, we would have to be forced to use this cheap-shot tactic for next high level base attack.. It's really stupid..


Ooooooooor, you could....you know....may~be just may~be Not employ this tactic, especially how you want challenges and were sooooo happy that the Dominion stepped up to provide a target.

If Dan wants to/or has to leave it the way it already is, you arn't being forced to use the tactic. that's just schoolyard attitude of "They did it, so We'll do it to!"

(Impartial judgement of a low ranked player with lots of caffinee and brains)

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Yes, it has been utilized by some in the Triumvirate, but nowhere near as widespread as we just witnessed from The Dominion. Congrats on this co-ordinated effort to make Dan reevaluate the mechanics of the Calming Amp and Halcyon traps.


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Ooooooooor, you could....you know....may~be just may~be Not employ this tactic, especially how you want challenges and were sooooo happy that the Dominion stepped up to provide a target.

If Dan wants to/or has to leave it the way it already is, you arn't being forced to use the tactic. that's just schoolyard attitude of "They did it, so We'll do it to!"

(Impartial judgement of a low ranked player with lots of caffinee and brains)


No, if Dan confirms that it's legal and won't make any changes then we will very well employ that new tactic that we learned from Dominion to kill more high level bases down the road. We do not ignore any legal mechanics that Dan designed for us cuz we don't believe in it. We use every legal tools available to us. We won't use this tactic if Dan said that it was not intended at all however and give him time to fix it asap hopefully.

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