Yep, it's one great big Dan-led conspiracy to make your life miserable enough for you to retire.

Wait... Didn't you already retire once or twice? May as well change your IGN to Favralak...

First off...Tell your fingers I'm sorry for their loss.
Secondly...It's either extremely extremely EXTREMELY bad luck (which I doubt)...OR, you've been spending too much time in the lab. No, probably not cut-off, but you've made the data confused or something (If that makes any sense). I'm trying to come up with any explanation other than the one everyone wants to use...What were your chances at the lab?

It good to see more people agreeing with my long-held assertion that _something_ is wrong the PRNG in GL. May or may not be Dan's intention, but something is wrong for sure.

That would explain it...Well, it does say "Nearly Impossible," which probably makes it...You know...Nearly Impossible. But I agree, your chances shouldn't have been that low. If other legions can get it the same day it was released, I'm sure you should've been able to do it in a day as well. So, yep, I understand your anger and completely back you up on this one.

And PLURVION, I'd like to say the same, because I find commons, uncommons, even extremely rares, but I don't think in all my NPCing (Although it's not a lot), I have seen a single rare.

Thing is Nam, it's not your personal RNG. The RNG is shared by EVERYONE who clicks something that requires a pseudo-random number. You spending 250M research points at, let's say, 36k per click in the lab is no different than a legion of 50 people clicking 139 times each. That's 5 millionish per person, and at 25k per hour, a little over 8 days each. As most legions with a near-impossible CT Lab can attest, that's not really all that uncommon. Actually, that kind of expenditure is likely to be the rule rather than the exception as you seem to think. A few discoveries back, TU spent WAY more than that amount on one item. If I recall correctly, it was the Concord Station, which for us was 36k per click.

Nit-picky sniping is my way of pointing out how ridiculously un-thought-out some people's complaints can be.

If it softens up the feeling a bit, we in CRA spent about 300m to find the Toxic plant. The Polaron Emitter did come a handful of million research points later, but all in all, a lot of RP.
It's just luck sometimes, whether it is good luck, really good luck *cough cough TU cough cough* bad luck, and extremely bad luck. Good luck to you and your CT Lab!

I can't find anything either, but I've not spent anything like 250 million I've only spent a few 100k

Yes yes, totally a conspiracy~ Dan's disabled your /RIGHT/ to get a million CT lab discoveries before you quit.

I'm sorry but seriously Nam, quit your whining. You chose to do all this, you got unlucky. That's all. Although I personally would find it far more amusing if the RNG had gained sentience just to mess with you~

Yes, your past achievements having any effect on RNG results makes it a well thought out complaint.

Just for S&G... The penultimate discovery is currently 40k. At a "chance of success" of 1:10000 (which isn't unrealistic for "Near Impossible") you'd have a 53.5% probability to O-fer 250M research points. You're not even on the good side of 50-50 yet...


This is the same as the 90% Invasion issue. A lack of understanding of probabilities vs RNG combined with a sense of entitlement. Though, if Dan did put in a separate algorithm to troll you Nam... He's getting $50 out of my next very paltry paycheck.

No no Nam, I consider it whining when someone KNOWS there's a chance of this happening, does it anyway, and then whines that it happened.

If Dan comes out publicly and states that no such injustices occurred against you, would you believe him?

Or would you lead the charge, demanding the RNG be revamped so it never again dares to keep you from your ct lab discoveries?


Look Nam, we get it~ You like building bases single-handedly because you enjoy devaluing the words "Group Effort", doesn't mean the game is going to play ball with you every single time you do.

Though I couldn't be 100% certain, it probably all does come down to bad luck with the RNG. There will be legions like Unknown (with their fancy research scripts ) that will find the discoveries in the first few hundred clicks. On the other side, there will be people like us that put hundreds of millions of research into the CT labs and have little or nothing to show for it. I figure the only thing to do is to keep clicking 'Attempt experiment' and wait for the RNG to work its magic in my favor to finish up the last 2 recipes in the lab here.

Heh... Wasn't it PotC that popped one on someone's very first click?

Right back atcha.

We got the Toxic planet the next day, but haven't been able to find the Polaron emitter and it's been over a month. I put in an attempt every hour and I know quite a few others do to. At this rate I'm going to get my genius medal from this one discovery...

But isn't your complaint similar to a guy walking into a casino, betting on a single number in roulette, and complaining that he's lost all his money?
The law of statistics says that, so long as the probability isn't zero, you will eventually get a hit if you're happy to keep playing.
Those guys who got all the CT Lab discoveries 'fairly quickly' are equivalent to the guy who hit his roulette number early - that happens too.

I understand why you're frustrated, but do what good gamblers do... walk away, and let someone else take over.