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Uy23e
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:04 am Posts: 1998
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ExSeaD wrote: Uy23e wrote: spyder wrote: On the subject of volcanics, how about a pressure sphere - condenses the volcanic planet into a diamond planet. -1 size, - all research and artifacts, +7 mining That would be more properly called Igneous Igneous Rock is the crystallization(solidification) of magma(a bit more complicated but meh~) where as diamond.... that's very specific... carbon... and besides, it would make it harder to mine mineral, the hardness of diamond.... Although considering you are err... "applying pressure" to cause the change, it might actually be Metamorphic. any rock expert here? Well there are planets which might be pure diamond according to some scientist, you should of heard about the discovery about a few weeks ago. i like the idea of diamond planets. Pure solid diamond planet does not exist in the natural world... "pure" is very important key word.. the discovery is "a large part of this strange world will effectively be diamond" This is possible... but not pure diamond. The surface of a planet does not have the condition for diamond to form. It's either a layer of other-wisely formed carbon or gas. Anyway, whereas pure carbon planet can exist(and therefore diamond planet by "force"), to say that all volcanic planet to be made of pure carbon is a really big stretch and a huge assumption to make. In fact, it's much more likely that a volcanic will cool off into a barren or even metal. It have about same chance as becoming a crystal. And I'm not so sure if a pure carbon planet can sustain volcanic activities... That's why I'm against volcanic to diamond, because even if it's possible, it only represent a small portion of volcanic, and therefore does not make logical sense that you can use the device on ANY volcanic planet.
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:42 pm |
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destroyer43
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:01 pm Posts: 2072
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easy solution to the Size controversy, make the artifact unable to be used on colossal oceanics, and a simple explanation for it, this is the error message that would appear "cannot be used, planet size is too large, increasing it further would cause planetary instability"
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:48 pm |
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magecow
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:23 pm Posts: 784
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v massive icy 15x + melter= 17x mega collosal oceanic+ your new terra artifact= 20x mega colossal terra+ gaia seed= a 21x amazing planet  i like it
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:06 am |
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popps
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:41 pm Posts: 88
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magecow wrote: v massive icy 15x + melter= 17x mega collosal oceanic+ your new terra artifact= 20x mega colossal terra+ gaia seed= a 21x amazing planet  i like it ye sonds good to me to 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:00 am |
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Tommy15551
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:58 pm Posts: 204
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Remainder wrote: Lone.Lycan wrote: eww... don't give Dan that idea... he might put a -1 size on the current terraforming device....
true.. it would really have to be a -1 size, because once it's a terra it can gain a gaia seed which has a +1 size... but why waste a gaia seed like that? why not just use two of our current terraforming devices on the ocean for the same net effect on resources and size...
Icy (or even Barren) to Ocean, to Terra, to Gaia... yah, now that i think about it, i really don't think Oceanics and Terras might ever be linked together...
it would be nice if they do get linked together though.... Imagine taking a 15x v.massive oceanic made with terraformers. Add the device to make it a terra which shrinks size by 1 and adds +3 to resources so 18x massive. Then Gaia seed it to make it 20x v.massive. But I agree. Science-wise it doesn't make sense. A water world turned into a mud world with land masses and stuff. I'd like to see something for metallic planets. It's been suggested before. Think they're the only standard type which doesn't have an option of terraformer except for two missions - the hyperterraformer and dyson missions. I've got a nice 15x v.massive research metallic (made before the CT Lab) which could do with an upgrade. Perhaps a new mission after Potent Residium. I did have two topics, Planet Transformers and Planet Transformers (Remix) that had ideas for Oceanic and Metallic planet transformers: (And others!) A mission after Potent Residuum: Mercuric ResearchMetallic DischargerTurns a Metallic planet into a Mercury planet, +1 Size, +2 Resources, +450 Attack+Defense. Cannot be used on metallic planets greater than massive size. (Mercury is liquid metal, everyone should know that already) ------------------- And for pure, natural Oceanics (not made by Hydroshifter): Mission after Mercuric Research: Ocean Weather -OR- CT-Lab Blueprint Oceanic CondenserTurns an Oceanic Planet into a Storm Planet, increasing size by 1 and all resources by 2. Cannot be used on Natural Oceanics larger than Massive size. (Such as a Quasi-Spacial Expander used on a natural Massive Oceanic planet)
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:55 am |
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Uy23e
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:04 am Posts: 1998
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Planet transformation should be done in following ways: state: such as gas to plasma, icy to oceanic relative movement: terra to gaia exterior modification: metal to dyson molecular: barren to crystal
NOT atomic, which includes volcanic to diamond AND metal to mercury. Mercury is a SPECIFIC METAL ELEMENT that have LIQUID STATE under "ROOM TEMPERATURE" 1. The liquid state of all the OTHER metals are NOT called Mercury 2. Mercury is NOT always liquid. ROOM TEMPERATURE is just the normal on EARTH. In space, it could very well be a SOLID don't try to show off your "knowledge" when you haven't even passed grade school, please.
Can we change things on a atomic level? yes, but except "seeding" a natural nuclear reaction(which you only have a chance of on plasma/gas, which you can ONLY use to blow it up) it requires huge amount of energy and bit-by-bit effort to do so. What does that translate to? well, energy aside, if you had the luxury of transforming an entire planet in the atomic level, you would have the luxury of collecting ALL the remaining resource on the planet. Simply speaking, you have already manually sifted through ALL the atoms on that planet.
Keep this in mind, some tranformation might sound "cool" but it is NOT logical.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:31 pm |
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Remainder
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:11 am Posts: 556
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Uy23e wrote: Planet transformation should be done in following ways: state: such as gas to plasma, icy to oceanic relative movement: terra to gaia exterior modification: metal to dyson molecular: barren to crystal
NOT atomic, which includes volcanic to diamond AND metal to mercury. Mercury is a SPECIFIC METAL ELEMENT that have LIQUID STATE under "ROOM TEMPERATURE" 1. The liquid state of all the OTHER metals are NOT called Mercury 2. Mercury is NOT always liquid. ROOM TEMPERATURE is just the normal on EARTH. In space, it could very well be a SOLID don't try to show off your "knowledge" when you haven't even passed grade school, please.
Can we change things on a atomic level? yes, but except "seeding" a natural nuclear reaction(which you only have a chance of on plasma/gas, which you can ONLY use to blow it up) it requires huge amount of energy and bit-by-bit effort to do so. What does that translate to? well, energy aside, if you had the luxury of transforming an entire planet in the atomic level, you would have the luxury of collecting ALL the remaining resource on the planet. Simply speaking, you have already manually sifted through ALL the atoms on that planet.
Keep this in mind, some tranformation might sound "cool" but it is NOT logical. Bah. Where's the alchemist in you? My ship has reactors which work on what happens in supernovas. I have the weapons and defence tech researched to play with entropy (QCBs and TEDs). One set of installed defence can slip me slightly out of the time stream. My old hull is made of the material which neutron stars are made out. Rearranging a few sub atomic particles to turn a metallic into a mercury planet? My dumbest android scientist could do that in their sleep. They've already developed a hyperterraformer.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:35 pm |
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Uy23e
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:04 am Posts: 1998
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I never said u can't, in fact I specifically said: "Can we change things on a atomic level? yes" but you need to understand just because you CAN do it, and can easily do it on a small scale, doesn't mean it can be easily done on a large scale. Again, with the same amount, or less, the effort of transforming a planet on an atomic level, you could simply HARVEST the entire planet. Because it's not a seeded/chain "automatic process" that you can just start off at some place and let the process run by itself, you would have to go through the entire planet all by yourself to do this process. If you had the ability to do that, won't it be simpler to just collect everything of value in the middle then dump the planet?
Here is a weird analogy to this: Say the original condition is a giant pile of clay, with some useful stuff in it that you can extract. now, the post-transform condition is a pile of clay figures, where the useful stuff is concentrated on the head portion of the figure, so it would be easier to extract(as u can just take one, rip off head, and go to another, instead of whatever process in the former case) Now, can you transform pile of clay to figures? yes, and very simply, just take one, take out the concentrated part as head, and squeeze it into the right shape. BUT, if you had the time and effort to do that, won't it be easier to just not make the figure and just take the “would be head” part? even if u made an automatic machine for the transformation, won't it be an ez trick to add a "after make figure, rip off head" part to the machine?
That's why I'm against it. I never said it's impossible, just that it makes no logical sense. If you can do it, then there must be "better" things that can be done
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:53 pm |
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Remainder
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Let's say I use a magic beam weapon which destablises sub atomic particles. When fired at an metallic planet it causes neutrons to destabilise releasing an electron and turning the neutron into a proton. It's fired from a satellite at the planet. Massive energy is released so it liquifies the planet as the process goes along. It's not an instant transformation but stuff can be harvested from this liquid metallic planet as the process goes on. This adds +2 to resources and +1 to size of a metallic planet. Planet structures cost twice as much to build because of the high heat and volatile environment.
This is a science fiction game and we can imagine what might be possible. Just look at some of the tech that's available. Our hull can be made from the material of neutron stars. What device would be able to cut a material so tough? What ship would be able to bring the material back or survive being crushed by the massive gravitational forces at the surface of neutron stars?
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:03 pm |
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Uy23e
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:04 am Posts: 1998
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1. "liquid metal" is not mercury, quit mixing the two ideas. 2. some metals have more protons than mercury, some less. A ray of this form is very unlikely, but let's say it's possible.... this technology would allow me instant KO planet defence that's short of the "planet shield" tier. It should also instantly KO any type of a ship that have its shield taken out. 3. The energy of this thing is unreasonably big. For a rough idea, Mass Surface melter uses energy from let's say 100 Paws, well, this thing would have to go into a task chain that asks for about 100,000 paws. The task can be called “charge the beam” for 5 energy, 100 paw per round, 1000 round per completion. have fun with that. 4. effect wise, as per the only way this can work in my mind(a ray that cause instability of atomic structure, hence each atom will randomly fission/fusion with others, until a specific stable condition, the condition of mercury atom, is reached) it would probably +4 mineral, +2 research -all art, -1 size.
and something to note: If such a ray exist which would "converge" the proton count per atom toward mercury(if it doesn't, again the name fails, liquid metal is NOT mercury), than it would be able to be used on all planets, not just metal. There is no property in metal that makes it easier to convert on an atomic level than any other substance. Granted.. gas/plasma might be an exception. On a side note..... I think you are making more likely a "radioactive" planet than anything else....
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:45 pm |
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popps
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:41 pm Posts: 88
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well i do hope Dan and his team do make it and one for a diamond planet as i think both are good ideas but down to them if thay like them or not
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Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:43 pm |
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DarthRavadge
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Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:05 am |
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Cdv91
Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 179
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How about a Magma Tesseract Container? This can be something that is extremely difficult to make in the CT-Lab. After you create it, you must place it on a Volcanic planet for 5 days so it can collect. When it is done, a green flashing dot will appear next to the planet, kind of like a homing beacon. It contains enough magma in it to create a continent, it even throws out enough magma so far to create a few islands as well. But if you use it on a planet x amount of times(dependent on planet size, average will last 5 times) the planet becomes Barren and loses 1 size and 1 resource.
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Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:44 pm |
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Death Wish
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:36 am Posts: 29
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how about this barren -> Metallic Artifact could be called: Surface Crusher (destroying the surface to get to the core)
+3 mining, +1 artifact, -2 research, -1 size (if more add artifact mining etc.)
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:00 am |
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Jak830
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How about going the other way? Terra to Oceanic? The device can be called something like "The global warmer".
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