That's stupid that you think that cheap upkeep for base is fine..

Let me give you eye-boggling example.. Mojo our Dysonian decided to help to powerlevel or something to his buddy by leaving our legion for a while to join his 1-person legion and built base with all best stuff on it and power leveled it to level 5 off the bat so that buddy can soak in all rich shipments from base all to himself and that person easily maintain the upkeep of the base solo but maybe with some help from Mojo. Then Mojo re-joined our legion leaving that legion with much powerful base forever well beyond that person's tech research. The base is actually called the Spawn of the Mojo.. Guess what? That base actually has 150k hull with lot of shield along with almost 40k defense or something and it presented pretty tough defense against 3 legions of ours but it wasn't too bad cuz it didn't use any APs at all. If it used all APs then it will be tough that will put some drain in our resources to bring that 1-person legion base down.. Is that right??? NO! That single person legion shouldn't even afford to maintain the most powerful level 5 base PERIOD and that single person shouldn't enjoy huge resource shipment from that base on daily basis all cuz it's upkeep is cheaper than his own ship's upkeep..

News flash.. That base is not the only one.. It encourages more 1-person legions with maxed out bases all cuz of cheap upkeep. Heck, I can build my own most powerful level 5 base and maintain it myself and get my ship strong faster cuz shipment is all to myself and I don't have to share it with anybody else.. Base upkeep MUST increase in order to prevent the encouragement of 1-person legions with powerful bases.. It's not right..

I wish I took the screenshot of that base. Maybe Mojo cares to share that screenshot to show that 1-person legion with maxed out level 5 base is very possible thanks to cheap upkeep and the ability of top researcher to help that 1-person legion to make it possible then move back to his/her own legion.. What we suggest two things: increase upkeep and requires top researcher to STAY in legion in order to make top level modules functional all the time will destroy any 1-person legions easily.. Don't forget that it will give birth to lot of alt account with 1-person legions down the road. Do you REALLY want that to happen? I don't think so..

Figured I'd throw in my 2 cents.

At first I was against this because of the fact that I'm in a legion that doesn't have alot of high rank people. We are barely keeping up with our upkeep because there are only a few of us who can spare the credits to keep the base going, and even fewer who actually donate credits.
However I realize that this would actually improve my legion. No one wants to be an easy target, so this would encourage, if not force, members of a legion to work together more often. They've got to give a little to get a little. Also the obvious fact that it would stop powerleveling bases and help prevent multis (don't ask how I figure, it just makes sense) is a good thing.
The best part of the suggestion is actually needing someone in the legion with the tech researched. However I think raising upkeep too much would be overkill. Maybe a middle ground for that one?
I think the main reason some people are against this idea is that it came from the Dysonians. You guys already have insane production that wouldn't even get scratched by your upkeeps, and I think the obvious accusation being made is that the Dysonians are trying to get easier bases to kill.

Removing that fact, all in all I think that the only flaw with this suggestion is that it would hurt some legit legions and some poor or low level players who really enjoy the game. Remember that the high ranks only consist of so many people.
Other than that the suggestion is a good, well thought out one.

whine whine whine cry cry cry...........Dan we are the top legion and now the little guys have found a way to keep us from disabling their base :*( please make it so we can bully everyone again so we feel better about ourselves. If the advantage was yours this thread wouldn't never have happened, but now that the little guys punched you in the face it is run home to mommy time.

[quote="Bweaver]
whine whine whine cry cry cry...........Dan we are the top legion and now the little guys have found a way to keep us from disabling their base :*( please make it so we can bully everyone again so we feel better about ourselves. If the advantage was yours this thread wouldn't never have happened, but now that the little guys guys punched you in the face it is run home to mommy time.[/quote]

Before copy/pasting the link from legion chat and trolling the Dysonians, did you even think about the content of Nocifer's post? He's got a valid point, you know. I'm curious. Had the same post come from a member of Home One, Talon Company, or Vygoid Genome (for examples), would you have trolled them the same way?

First off, I didn't copy/paste anything. I used the same quote button you did. Secondly i do admit he has a point about abusing the base modules. Third i would point out that 2 of the 3 people you mentioned are in top 50 legions and the other is in a legion with an average rank of 197 and would be in the top 50 if not for them having less than 40 members.
That being said, I find it all to convenient that this post is made right after other posts for people helping smaller legions build stronger bases so they can hold of those that hoard the power. The legion i am in is a smaller legion and we work very hard for what we have and just try to get ahead in the game, however everytime we get a good base bonus someone from a much higher legion comes along and kills our base. Not so much fair to us, but we don't complain. Until this post. Because now we may have a chance to keep our base from being disabled long enough to get some rewards for it if someone would come by and help us out were we are lacking because of others that keep holding our base down.
What really made me post is that out of everyone in this thread nobody is here to represent the "little guys" that are just trying to claw their way up. So the arguement of this thread may have been made very eloquently it doesn't mean it is one size fits all, and I feel that if anyone can give a little on the base combat issues it is those that have enjoyed their reign at the top for so long that it won't hurt them to lose a few battles.

*Ahem*

sorry Xzien, I see you on here so much I guess I didn't think of you as a little guy.

lol, I guess I'm just looking out for Delta.

I understand that.

Then maybe you should give an opinion on the other idea. The idea that you cannot keep modules on your base that nobody in the legion has researched. Also, I think the idea behind this is so that the smaller legions have a better chance at smashing up the Dysonian's base. Remember, this affects them too, and their upkeep would skyrocket with the rest of us. While yes, they do have the resources to keep their base afloat, it would take constant donating from each and every one of them (More than likely. I know next-to-nothing about the Dysonians outside of the fact that everyone hates them just about) to match a couple days upkeep. Best way around this is to simply unequip some of the costlier modules for a short time until you can afford a couple days worth of upkeep. What's probably average upkeep for the Dysonian's base is probably what the escalated upkeep for a Lvl. 3 base would be. Lvl. 5, a bit more, say 30Bil per day.

And another thing. Somewhere around the internet, you might be able to find something what explains the idea of smaller cheaper modules in large amounts equaling the output of a larger one, which would either reduce or escalate upkeep. Not sure, as I have no experience with base modules and their respective upkeep values. Can someone from Dysonians assist?

Lastly, if you're going to compare legions, compare in the top ten or twenty. Top fifty is quite alot of legions. My own legion, Interstellar Alliance, is ranked 33, higher than Vygoid Genome. Yes, the Legion leaderboard is the top fifty, but for data comparison purposes, it's best to stick with a smaller pool.

And three posts were made while I was writing this. Yikes, that's long.

I hesitate to think the Dysonians would blink twice at a 200% increase in base upkeep, and this does not help lower legions to hit them because a level five base doesn't scan a level 7 base. Also why don't you step back and see how it looks to a legion out of the top 50.......honestly go back to then and see how you feel about the top 50 dictating things when they don't like how it goes.

You only care about the benefit of defenders. You don't even care about the benefit of attackers.. Once bases got too overpowered, legion attackers will forever get shafted and only can farm very weak low level bases while we are enjoying farming level 5s to collect bundle of silver badges and hoard of raid loots forever strengthening ourselves ahead of the curve from rest of the legions.. Remember, little legions don't need to worry about us cuz we don't farm level 4s anymore. We farm level 5 and up.. Level 4s are pretty much safe from us anyway.. Since level 5s average are much stronger due to "abuse", lot of other legions found themselves unable to fight level 5s stripping their opportunity to collect nice raid loots while we still are enjoying the unique benefit that is only available to our alliance.. I am trying to re-balance the base PVP system so smaller legions attackers can gain some benefits and make the base PVP more enjoyable for them and give them chance to get some nice raid loot. I HATE the idea of monopoly in any game and this mechanics is dangerously close to grant our alliance the monopoly. I had been asked by others to add 2 to 3 top legions to our alliance to make it 5 or 6 legions total so we can farm maxed out level 5s with relative ease while no other legions no matter if they are grouped up would forever screwed.. I told them to wait for few months to give Dan time to fix this problem before I go ahead to have alliance to monopolize everything like old DOO times that I didn't like..

Ok before you keep on bashing the elite legion because you think were trying to give you a shorter end of the stick take in these points.

1. If it takes 2 or more top legions to take out a rank 5 - 7 base the little legions are getting a shorter end of the stick
why? because you guys are being robbed of the opportunity to receive awesome loot from higher ranking bases.
a. Triphase (which can be found on rank 4 but is rare)
b. Adumbarate station
c. Enumaration crystal
d. Continuum Parser
e. Abysmal Rift trap
Also since you guys cant disable us we gain an upper hand since we enjoy 100% bonus from 0 disables

2. Since bases that are given special research are harder to kill, lower ranked legions will spend more resources than higher rank legions.

Ok so you are a legion that dont have access to high tech modules.. along comes a legion that has been given special attention by either a benefactor or a mother legion. not only is it unfair for you you guys cant disable them either because their base is tough. While you on the other hand is being disabled every 16 or 8 hours. Is that fair for you??? I dont think so

3. If I seem to be complaining that base fights is hard. Now if its hard for us Image how hard it would be for other legions
Dont look at it because you guys are trying to protect your base. Your goal should be equal access to all the contents in the game. 90% of the game players do not have access to base raid loot and thats a bad thing.

On way of fixing this is to make the modules only work for legions that have researched it or to increase the upkeep of these modules. but that's only half of the problem.

4. Dan should also fix the base damage so that a ship does not only deal 10-20 damage and get hit with 2000

Other than this I rest my case. I have been fighting for smaller legions to gain access to base loot and for base fights to be fair for everyone. Give what is due to a legion because they have planned on how they will tackle the problem. legions should not be given a handout and make their peers suffer because they have an unfair advantage.

This is the last time that i will be posting something about base fights, base loot or base prize distribution. Im tired of making it fair for the little guys. Specially when the little guys don't want to make it fair for them.

ok first to reply to Nocifer. I would have no issue with your increase of upkeep on base modules if it were limited to those above a certain level. So you cannot say it helps smaller legions even though you are not attacking them, it will hurt them more because they lack the resource income due to the lesser rank and the fact they can't defend the awesome planets like you so everyday enjoy having. The fact that small legions can't do this is totally encompassed in the current upkeep costs, as others have stated, even if we got the top upgrades we couldn't keep them. This point is clearly geared at the legions that have bases in your range with no reguard for those below it. As for Remeric give me a little bit because I have to walk my dog before she pees on the carpet and I will reply.

Ok nevermind Remeric. I stopped at your first point. my reply is: when have you ever scanned a base above your base level and if you did would you ever waste the red badges to lock it. This helps lower legions how? Oh and after reading posts about how the base loot isn't worth the cost.......what are we missing? Probably a 100% base bonus because the little bases get disabled everyday almost while you in the top have the luxury of once in a blue moon!

1. Uhmmm theres no base thats higher than 7 right now so we dont really lock anything higher than our base.

2. we are only able to scan rank 4 and above. We do however skip rank 4s because the loot of 20 and 40 ctp is not any thing we would want to collect.

3. If you read all the way and did not stop on my point #1 you would see that on the last one I want base battles to be easier for lower powered ship and not get damaged with 2000 and only deal less than 10.

4. as i have said in my post above. That was it...
I know most of you guys love the current system but the current system is the one that's unfair for you. It is fair for me since my ship is always in the top 5 damage of almost every base fight i can join. I have access to silver badges and crates. as a matter of fact I already have 4 Continuum Parser on my ship.

Bweaver,
I've noticed you haven't said a single thing about the other idea. All you've done is whine and complain about the first idea. I personally think the second idea is better because it doesn't adversely affect high level bases and it encourages smaller legions to focus on being stronger as a whole. Thus, giving themselves a better chance against the higher level legions,
thus smaller legions don't get pissed off,
thus we don't have to have threads where smaller ranked people #$&*@ about the higher level legions,
THUS the people in the middle trying to find a bloody solution don't get a friggin headache!
THUS everyone is friggin happy!
That is why I think the second option is better than increased upkeep.

I didn't argue the second idea because i don't ARGUE with the second idea this should be obvious Xzein, and on the topic I didn't whine and complain I gave my point of view and you jumped up like a puppy begging for attention in the middle. don't try to belittle me and I won't do it to you.

I can't be bothered reading most of the rants. it's boring. Here's my idea, feel free to shoot it down.
Quite simply, your current upkeep is multiplied by your base level (or half the level, whichever works). The bigger they are, the harder they are to maintain. This would work because High level bases either have to work together to pay an increased upkeep, or drop a few modules to keep it stable.

This and the can't use it if you don't have it researched sound good to me.