Exactly what I told him ... although personally, I was hitting him from the BT, no reason other than him being the next name in line. I don't "pound" on people and I would be willing to bet that most people that hit you (Obscura) are doing the same, so "those who cry" sounds less like people that don't enjoy CMs, but more so like you. I told you the first time you CM'ed me that it would be better to hit me back. I hit you later on down the road (days apart, maybe even a week or two, I don't remember) and you CM again and yet again I said you should badge me. Why you decided you couldn't badge back is beyond me ... but, that doesn't mean that the CMs should return to removing neurals and RSLs (and shockpulse).

On a similar note, you state that the CM is used as a deterrent. Personally, I don't rage on players. I play for enjoyment, so I leave drama at home. However, if I were the opposite or a person who simply enjoyed every opportunity to PvP (or zero or however far you want to think about it), CMs would be an excuse to continue coming back. First, it's a free badge with nothing back (no increase on the 'Deaths' stat). Second, it's irritating, but only removes stuff that can be reapplied, so just reapply and punish. Just figured I would point this out that using CMs as a 'punishment' is both weak and ineffective. The only thing that's changed is that they cannot remove neurals/RSLs/shockpulse (to prevent people from constantly abusing those in the middle of NPC farming).

Actually, I do not mind Vette. But there are others in other legions I wish I could have removed their RSL, even more so when they had one on after farming one of my guys. So NO this is not directed at Dysonians. It is directed at all those who sit there and farm then run off to NPC.
See my philosophy is I will use it to make you remember I am not worth the hassle. It worked great until recently. Now people just scoff. I mean if I hit a guy who was doing it to me, I would just leave him be later on. Some do not think that way, but like I said, it worked.

I occasionally c missile someone on my bt before going in for a kill. I remember before the update, if I saw a shockpulse or an RSL on someone, I didn't c missile them because I knew it'd likely result in an alert and knew I wouldn't want the same to happen to me. If I ever have c missiled someone's shockpulse or RSL away, it was not intentional.

Every one I have removed has been pure intentional.

Now I wish I could remove the one on the guy who hides behind traps but likes to start thing.

I gotta agree with mojo here. you do realize that you are saying you want the CM to remove buffs that ranks higher then you will have immensely more of then yourself (including missles neurals rsls and ETC.) so how would this help you at all? it would only further the distaste in the air for individuals who do things specifically for the purpose of causing grief to others. and in the event you use it on someone your own level i can see this done for something of spite.

In addition take into account the rarity of RSLs and shock pulses at low levels. and how easy it is to get CMs. Dan did the right thing. it would appear to me that you are just trying to make a change happen so that when it does who ever gave you a reason to spite them you have the ability to.

I have to chime in and play Devil's Advocate. If I know someone if hitting me either from the BT or me making them or the whole legion mad, why CAN'T I wipe their neural and/or RSL off? There is no reason that they should be gaining more experience off me and be protected. If the Neural and RSL are to be protected from the CM, then they need to be modified to boost XP gains ONLY from Mission and NPCs, but not from PVP.

That makes the most sense to me. Either change the Neural Interface and Memory Implant to benefit experience gains from Mission and NPCs only, or allow them to be removed by the CM.

...and yes, I have been devious enough to CM a certain person to wipe off numerous Neurals and to me, its hilarious. it is DEFINITELY worth the 48 hrs pounding im going to take.

My question to you on that is, how many players use a NI and a MI for PVPing? I don't know of anyone that I fight that does it. If someone has a NI and a MI on then they are most likely doing missions or NPCing and they most likely hit you a while ago. So CMing them now is just for spite and just because you can. When I fight players I normally just badge them, unless they have been alerted for farming one of our smaller members, but off of the BT I normally just badge them. Depending on how they fight back depends on how I respond. If I am NPCing and they CM me I will farm them but if they just badge for badge no big deal. I personally never use a CM or debuffs. To me disabling a player that is fully buffed is more of a win for me then CMing them.

I agree with mojo. If a person has a neural or RSL on, they are likely doing missions or NPCs anyways. At that point, CM'ing is simply out of spite. There was already an issue with that a while ago, which is (I believe) part of what changed the CM (as well as some others) and how it works. People were just bombarding players with CMs to ensure they were 100% debuffed all the time. That ruins the game experience when not only can you not PvP, but you can't mission or NPC effectively because someone is wiping your buffs just because "its hilarious".

People that CM people with the intention of wiping neurals and RSLs or CM because "its hilarious" deserve to be farmed. The playerbase as a whole does not deserve to have their neurals/RSLs/etc threatened simply because someone is too weak to find a better way to handle themselves.

I must have missed this, when last I had this issue some low-ranked ass-hat randomly decided to start throwing containment missiles at me I hadn't attacked anyone in ages, and lost TWO RSLs in the process.

I frigging HATE Greifers, and that's all the CM was, a griefing tool.

When used just before a real attack it would only be used if the short-term buffs weren't active and not RSLs/Nuerals were on by anyone serious about PvPing, because CMing an RSL is Always grounds fore repeated zeroing, and legion alerts.

-Q

I never used it as a grief tool. Only retaliation.

True. I personally have only been hit by you with a CM when I badged you. Didn't hurt me, I had no neural/RSL/shockpulse on. You CM'ed, it's irritating, but I reapplied the buffs and went on. If I were in my real PvP spirit, I would still badge you if I felt like it because the CM doesn't deter attackers.

However, you do want it to remove neurals/RSLs/shockpulse. Now, I'm sure there are some people that had those on when they attacked you (for whatever reason) and I'm sure you CMing lead to them not wanting to hit back if they had those particular buffs on. That is not an excuse for the CM to work that way though. It does more harm than good. And wanting the ability to ruin a person's buffs at will is not retaliation, it's spite (not, I'm not inherently talking about you in this scenario, Obscura, but when you break it down to its basics, this is what this is in general).

Anyways, personally, this topic/argument is starting to go in circles ... plain and simple, the CMs are better the way they are now and should not be reverted. If it's not working for you anymore, get a stronger ship and fight back or Halc up.

If anything it should not work on scanning items as well. When I do NPC runs I throw on the scanning items so I can make up for the fact my ship is too small to carry all extra scan to see certain npcs. It is annoying to have someone CM me and have to reapply all those, in addition to nanite, CO, ACF, CA, Grid. That's 55 energy, that is like 2-4 npcs I can't kill now because I have to waste my energy because some jerk is too much of a coward to badge me because I disabled him for a badge or stole a planet.

I rarely use CMs, personally they are useless generally. Only time I ever use it is to badge back someone 100-200 ranks above me and am impatient for the last 30 minutes of a their buffs to wear off.

If all you are doing is using the CM too annoy someone then you clearly you do not understand why Dan changed it in the first place. It was to prevent jerks, like you, who only use them to annoy people from abusing them. If you are going to retaliate with a CM, don't half ass it, go for the kill.

We are all wasting our time here apparently this is a ploy to irritate us and grab our attention.

Chances of dan implementing this is way way imposible. Let him have his fun.

scan affect crit rate in battle
and it lowers ur chance of hacking the target
therefore it is pvp related
therefore scan buffs can be CMed

It was never spite, I only used it on those who hit me first. It was a great deterrence. Now I see many wearing the RSL and Ni when they come to call. If I come across some one with NPC buff on the BT I will tap them once and move on so they get knocked off and can continue their fun and no one else can get them. You make it seem like I go around hitting random people, but I don't and that is why I have over 400 in stock. I know many people that use this method, most are below your level. I had it done to me a few times, and guess what I asked for it. That is the point of my asking, but since I see that those who have the ability to fund Dan's pockets are saying no, I know I speak in vain.

Obscura you seem to refuse to see the point that is being put to you. YOU may not be using this strictly to grief. and YOU may see this as a "Great" way to stop larger players from attacking you, but I can guarantee you that CMing a player who has an RSL, or Shock Pulse on WILL get you alerted, and misled, and hacked, and raided, to 0.

Not only that, but I know that on more than one occasion, where I know I haven't PvPed in weeks or months, that I was targeted by a random attacker off the BT, and Had MORE THAN 1 RSL / Shock pulse removed while I was in the midle of an NPC Blitz. It pissed me off, and I did lose a lot of interest in Playing GL, held my few remaining RSLs in reserves, and kicked that players ass, and CMed him back for long periods as well.

And this coming from a player who will often not even bother to badge back especially now at the end of the year when there are such Juicy NPCs around.

PvP lost a lot of it's charm ages ago, but the RSL/Shock Pulse change is something I know I have wished for since I was a Rank 200 Ship, being beaten on by Rank 500 ships.

It honestly sounds to me like you just get your jollys off of destroying people's buffs when all they've done is badge you. CMs are especially bad because, like hacking they can be sent at you even when you haven't done anything to warrant it, and have a Haylcon Trap on.

Even when I have PvPed I never PvP with an RSL on, and I have always made an effort to avoid CMing anyone with an RSL, or Shock-Pulse on.

In fact then I know they are probably on, and will spawn traps so it's a bad time to go get badges from them, which is the appropriate thing to do when you have been badged by someone.

-Q