Ok so I keep hearing you say that listing the pros is very difficult FOR YOU, its been noted. I on the other hand feel the exact opposite because Im thinking on a massive overall scale that will help the game grow.

Human nature in itself will always find a way to cheat ANYTHING, but that synnical mindset should NEVER stop the positive progression of anything. But thats the diffrence between the Positive Visionaries and the all too common Synnical skeptics.

I have owned 2 businesses, sold Real Estate, Cars, Timeshare, and I will tell you that from my experience in life that I feel Dan should just break it open and let the legions Trade. He can still control and create new things as he does for people to buy and keep revenue going.

Unless you come up with some kind of personal identification scanner, drivers liscence or ID card that can be tracked and traced to each individual account (or something along that line) your always gona have someone cheat.

but I will give you a great example again that i used before :

The states have a welfare system.... now do SOME people find a way to WORK the system? yes, they do, HOWEVER the government keeps the system in place for the greater good of all the families and people who will use it in the proper way.

But there is one simple thing we have to keep in mind: this of course is only a game to where 10 year olds could play it, so Dan still would have to keep it fairly simple.


So even though there is not yet a full proof way of stopping the multis, I still think that the OVERALL moving foward and opening the trade doors within the legion will be way better for the growth and new players on a massive scale. I mean who wants to play a game to where someone feels soooo far behind that they never have a chance to catch anyone that started way before them? This will encourage the new people AND will also kick the vets into a higher gear to progress more as well, again a win win scenerio. and you can ad a 3rd win because Dan gets more people, and More money meaning more growth

you kind of missed the point i made in my previous post... yes, listing the pros was hard for my. haha, i guess you can call me a cynic. but, they were easy for you. you can be the positive visionary. the thing is, that we need BOTH types of people in a 'team'. you came up with the idea. its not a bad idea per se, but i dont see how it can be implemented in the way you suggested without making it extremely easy for cheaters to prosper. which is why i made my 'cynical' cons list, which was easy for me. what you need to do now, is go back with the cons that a cynic thought up, and rework your idea. because in your op, it just dosnt work... yes, people find ways to cheat at anything. but we shouldnt make it easier for them. you saying you cant see ANY cons after i listed some out for you isnt helping this idea.

vanir raised an interesting point where there can be trades for artifacts of equal value. as in, eruption channelers for gas igniters. durtanium brackets for xcharge cells. things that would be FAIR to trade. to me, you need to go back in, LOOK at the cons, and rework your idea. as i said. its not a 'bad' idea. but it DOES need work. which was the point from my last post.

Ok lol we are just going round and round, not a big deal but, I actually did see YOUR cons. I just dont see them in the OVERALL picture as DEAL BREAKER for evolution, another words, I still think this is a great idea for the game to expand and still move foward. Vekno, im not putting you down bro, I just dont think that your grasping my overall site of this,,, what if this game just dies out? did you ever think of that? if we dont have new players who spend money then why would Dan keep going? Thats why I suggested AT THIS POINT that he open the doors wide open,,,, plus, and I already addressed your concerns but for some reason you conveniently left out the scanners or ID idea that I did suggest. Hehe I dont mind debating, but if your gona just pic and choose what you highlight, its not gona be a descent debate.

I guess Ill say it one more time, at this point I feel it would be very good for Dan to open the doors on a legion being a full trading legion. We need new players and people spending more money, this will allow growth and prosperity on beginner, intermediate, and advanced Levels, and why? because the purpose of a legion is to make EVERYONE strong, thus naturally opening doors for people within the legion to help is practical and common sense.

Now, Lets get to your Cynic part. your obviously worried about people getting stronger quicker then you, and passing you or at least catching up to you with no problem right? I mean if were gona be real, lets be real. Im not concerned in the slightest about that. You know why? because number one, I will have peice of mind knowing Im playing with integrity and honesty...period. If people go higher quick? great! good for them, but thats not gona change how I play the game or rob me of having fun simply because there can be cheating. Unfortunately, get used to it my friend, there will always be a few bad apples but the fruit basket is still yummy

Vekno here I will enter into the cynnic world for a moment, do you know right now I see a legion to where there are just a few big players and most of the other ships are way lower in rank? some mostly around 10? hmmm the cynnic view (which could be truth) says that a guy can be soooo competitive that he will actually take the time to create 40 multi accounts, put them all in one legion so he and a few could build the base up, and work it to where that get massive production back to themselves(yes i do feel this is going on right now) HOWEVER....

Is that gona threaten my game play or how I enjoy this game? No,,,, I may fuss here and there as do most, but overall Its not going to deter me from playing one bit. Here is the other cynnic view..... what about the people that spend money and get powerfull quick? oh well Dan should just stop people from spending money cause they are gona pass me! ( Im being sarcastic) Vekno dont you see? Im not saying you do ok? But people will always find a way to whine about anythihng, they will whine about how you kill them, they will whine about using legal calming amps and halcs to attack a base and be protected, they will whine during pvp if you throw debeuffs and dont just kill them outright, they will whine if they are alerted for one battle tab hit and suggest big words like war, these are just some, im sure we could go on and on,,,

I already suggested an Id scanning type of idea, you didnt even mention that, you said I didnt think of a way, and yes, I did,

Vanir has good input as well Im not saying he didnt at all,,, I enjoy debating on things, if I didnt, I wouldnt even come to the forum and take time ok? so yes I have heard your biggest fear is multi accounting, Multi accounting is not gona be stopped untill an ID scanning type of system is in place,,,one to where the ID can be confirmed by several methods that you could use programming, and you could have an official INTERNATIONAL GAMEBOARD,,, one specifically used for say every facebook app, that people have to be registered to to even play games. This is one way I could see clearing up ALL multi accounts.

But untill something like that is designed, I still feel that impeding progress because of the fear of multing accounting is not enough to stop the overall massive expansion benefit to the game as a whole. To stop multi accounting someone is gona have to take gaming registration to a whole new level