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Just like every argument the halc users make totality ignore the fact that the attacker has to repair as well as well as the hours of pve hunting to get trap probes PVP costs both players my friend. And I was half joking on my last post about removing halc users from the BT. ;)


Your choice to pvp, your choice to risk damage to your own ship and your own choice to make the effort to get trap probes.

where is the defender's choice to not be attacked? their choice to not have to trap up all the time?

the moment you click the attack button, you are committing to whatever happens to your ship, they are in no way able to refuse to participate. so we trap up, and make you whine and complain that we cost you more than you cost us.

i've tried to be fair with the whole thing, but the pvpers need to understand, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN YOUR CHOICE TO ATTACK so deal with the consequences rather than shying away from the responsibility and saying it's all the halc users fault for being 'evil'

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Just like every argument the halc users make totality ignore the fact that the attacker has to repair as well as well as the hours of pve hunting to get trap probes PVP costs both players my friend. And I was half joking on my last post about removing halc users from the BT. ;)


Your choice to pvp, your choice to risk damage to your own ship and your own choice to make the effort to get trap probes.

where is the defender's choice to not be attacked? their choice to not have to trap up all the time?

the moment you click the attack button, you are committing to whatever happens to your ship, they are in no way able to refuse to participate. so we trap up, and make you whine and complain that we cost you more than you cost us.

i've tried to be fair with the whole thing, but the pvpers need to understand, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN YOUR CHOICE TO ATTACK so deal with the consequences rather than shying away from the responsibility and saying it's all the halc users fault for being 'evil'


That choice was removed when they clicked, Galaxy Legion instead of Farmville

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That choice was removed when they clicked, Galaxy Legion instead of Farmville


+50 million the game add's even tell you "pvp" if you read that and play anyways you forfeit the right to whine about being attacked period.
While there isn't anything wrong with wanting to avoid getting attacked you have to expect that you will get attacked, and while opt in opt out pvp would be a nice touch the issue is there are so many halc cowards in the game that the BT would be bloody empty. :lol:

Dan would have to make the requirements rather harsh for the ones who opt out of pvp just to prevent that aspect of the game from dieing all the way

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That choice was removed when they clicked, Galaxy Legion instead of Farmville


+50 million the game add's even tell you "pvp" if you read that and play anyways you forfeit the right to whine about being attacked period.
While there isn't anything wrong with wanting to avoid getting attacked you have to expect that you will get attacked, and while opt in opt out pvp would be a nice touch the issue is there are so many halc cowards in the game that the BT would be bloody empty. :lol:

Dan would have to make the requirements rather harsh for the ones who opt out of pvp just to prevent that aspect of the game from dieing all the way


that's PROMOTING PvP, not a requirement that you play the PvP section of the game.

love how it's the halc users that are the cowards, how about the "Waaaaah! don't wanna attack incase I'm forced to use a null and then hit a halc cause they're mean to me like that"

get over it guys, halc users can use all the traps and artifacts they want to protect themselves, it's not like the PvP system actually allows for offline defense.

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Who said i dont attack? I will attack anyone i think is a target worth hitting and if i hit a halc i move on to the next target but if i hit a KV then a halc i then will zero that persons hack count out of pay back. TM's are almost to easy to get almost as easy as the halcs.


(P.S. i only call those that are ALWAYS behind halcs cowards)

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So, when you don't get the pvp you desire, and get forced into paying something for your actions, you bully them, and for what? Because they had the gall to actually use a legitimate stratergy to outwit you.

pvp is geared towards the attacker, anyone can take out someone when they are offline and have enough energy/debuffs. defenders have nothing but traps.

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Ah there is that word "bully" it gets thrown around way to much in this game you take a planet your called a bully, you disable someone your a bully, you attack a low lvl base your a bully.

Oh and if using the KV halc combo is a legitimate strategy then so is camping on a FPS. Yeah it works but its greatly frowned on.
And its rich that you call me a bully when there are people in game who would zero you from the BT just because you are there.

I only zero your hacks if you use a cowards tactic just like you use a KV halc combo to punish pvper's, so those in glass houses should not throw stones.

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Ah there is that word "bully" it gets thrown around way to much in this game you take a planet your called a bully, you disable someone your a bully, you attack a low lvl base your a bully.

Oh and if using the KV halc combo is a legitimate strategy then so is camping on a FPS. Yeah it works but its greatly frowned on.
And its rich that you call me a bully when there are people in game who would zero you from the BT just because you are there.

I only zero your hacks if you use a cowards tactic just like you use a KV halc combo to punish pvper's, so those in glass houses should not throw stones.


Here's the thing though, when I can't be assed to pvp, sometimes I'll run a halc, and i'll chuck a Krio on because hell why not? my trap, my ship, your bad attitude because you couldn't get your own way.

I called you a bully because of your stance on "if you use krio/halc combo, I'll go above and beyond badging to make you pay"

in an FPS, you atleast have SOME chance of fighting back and resisting it, what does our pvp system offer in that regards? NOTHING! trap up and go to bed, someone triggers your traps and then all you've got is shield regen if they don't get the disable. where as the attacker, can repair in a seperate tab, debuff to his/her heart's content, energy refill to continue the fight if they've ran out, shield restorers to minimise hull damage and therefore credit expenses.

so you see, those tossers like you who claim that the krio-halc users are evil and should be stopped, how about you realize that you've got it very good compared other games with pvp elements.

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Ah there is that word "bully" it gets thrown around way to much in this game you take a planet your called a bully, you disable someone your a bully, you attack a low lvl base your a bully.

Oh and if using the KV halc combo is a legitimate strategy then so is camping on a FPS. Yeah it works but its greatly frowned on.
And its rich that you call me a bully when there are people in game who would zero you from the BT just because you are there.

I only zero your hacks if you use a cowards tactic just like you use a KV halc combo to punish pvper's, so those in glass houses should not throw stones.


Here's the thing though, when I can't be assed to pvp, sometimes I'll run a halc, and i'll chuck a Krio on because hell why not? my trap, my ship, your bad attitude because you couldn't get your own way.

I called you a bully because of your stance on "if you use krio/halc combo, I'll go above and beyond badging to make you pay"

in an FPS, you atleast have SOME chance of fighting back and resisting it, what does our pvp system offer in that regards? NOTHING! trap up and go to bed, someone triggers your traps and then all you've got is shield regen if they don't get the disable. where as the attacker, can repair in a seperate tab, debuff to his/her heart's content, energy refill to continue the fight if they've ran out, shield restorers to minimise hull damage and therefore credit expenses.

so you see, those tossers like you who claim that the krio-halc users are evil and should be stopped, how about you realize that you've got it very good compared other games with pvp elements.


In an FPS the only difference between you and the guy killing you are your own skills. This is a text based MMO, you can defend yourself by building a good ship. If you don't want to build a good ship or you want to protect your precious rep while your away you halc up and hide. KVT then halc is like someone poking you in the forehead while simultaneously kicking you in the nads, so if you have the TM's available, zeroing someones hacks to prove a point is up to yourself.

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Ah there is that word "bully" it gets thrown around way to much in this game you take a planet your called a bully, you disable someone your a bully, you attack a low lvl base your a bully.

Oh and if using the KV halc combo is a legitimate strategy then so is camping on a FPS. Yeah it works but its greatly frowned on.
And its rich that you call me a bully when there are people in game who would zero you from the BT just because you are there.

I only zero your hacks if you use a cowards tactic just like you use a KV halc combo to punish pvper's, so those in glass houses should not throw stones.


Here's the thing though, when I can't be assed to pvp, sometimes I'll run a halc, and i'll chuck a Krio on because hell why not? my trap, my ship, your bad attitude because you couldn't get your own way.

I called you a bully because of your stance on "if you use krio/halc combo, I'll go above and beyond badging to make you pay"

in an FPS, you atleast have SOME chance of fighting back and resisting it, what does our pvp system offer in that regards? NOTHING! trap up and go to bed, someone triggers your traps and then all you've got is shield regen if they don't get the disable. where as the attacker, can repair in a seperate tab, debuff to his/her heart's content, energy refill to continue the fight if they've ran out, shield restorers to minimise hull damage and therefore credit expenses.

so you see, those tossers like you who claim that the krio-halc users are evil and should be stopped, how about you realize that you've got it very good compared other games with pvp elements.


In an FPS the only difference between you and the guy killing you are your own skills. This is a text based MMO, you can defend yourself by building a good ship. If you don't want to build a good ship or you want to protect your precious rep while your away you halc up and hide. KVT then halc is like someone poking you in the forehead while simultaneously kicking you in the nads, so if you have the TM's available, zeroing someones hacks to prove a point is up to yourself.


So, what you're saying is that having a good ship is gonna protect you from people ALSO with a good ship who are 40% higher ranked.
Ever thought that maybe it's not the rep they are trying to protect? Maybe it's their credits and their MP/AP that they are trying to protect.

seriously, if you're unwilling to see it from the halc users side of things, don't comment. I do pvp sometimes, i also go stretches where i just use halc/calming amp and then go ncp/missions. so I've been on both sides of the fence, it's just dedicated little pvp nuts that don't wanna waste their 'precious' nulls with their knickers in a twist over how they have everything going in their favour and yet still have the potentially of losing out.

I'm done debating this crap with people like you, always some reason why the instigator is the one in the right.

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Agreed you can use both traps.....just dont whine if i crit hack one of your planets and jack it deal?

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Agreed you can use both traps.....just dont whine if i crit hack one of your planets and jack it deal?

As long as you don't whine about being alerted and zeroed for it then deal.

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Ok, I gotta interject just one little thing here. You get pissy about wasting a null fuse on a KVT when you later hit the halcyon, but you'll use ANOTHER one to fuse off the firewall PLUS at least 4 TM's so you can zero that someone and get a few hundred research points? Nice logic.

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Ok, I gotta interject just one little thing here. You get pissy about wasting a null fuse on a KVT when you later hit the halcyon, but you'll use ANOTHER one to fuse off the firewall PLUS at least 4 TM's so you can zero that someone and get a few hundred research points? Nice logic.


If you manage to get alerted now you have some non-halced targets on your feed for a few days

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If you manage to get alerted now you have some non-halced targets on your feed for a few days

+1 to someone who gets it besides I'm aiming for a crit hack its not the use of a null per-say that annoys me its the cowardly way of they use the kv halc to get payback without putting there arse in the fire.

My production is rather high seeing as I've got some rather nice planets that I've put hardly any work into i let others build them up and then i steal them. Besides getting zeroed means what to me? A single hour of mining production is enough to repair me 3 times so knock yourself out xD

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If you manage to get alerted now you have some non-halced targets on your feed for a few days

+1 to someone who gets it besides I'm aiming for a crit hack its not the use of a null per-say that annoys me its the cowardly way of they use the kv halc to get payback without putting there arse in the fire.

My production is rather high seeing as I've got some rather nice planets that I've put hardly any work into i let others build them up and then i steal them. Besides getting zeroed means what to me? A single hour of mining production is enough to repair me 3 times so knock yourself out xD


you might wanna get your nose outta the ass of anyone who actually agrees with you.

Why should anyone be forced to 'put their arse in the fire' as you eloquently put it? Oh that's right, because YOU decided to PVP, and YOU decided to attack them. They have every right to use whatever "cowardly" methods they want. you know what's really cowardly? firing a mass of debuffs at someone who's roughly the same rank and strength as you, just so you don't have to waste as much energy on a still unbalanced fight. the attacker can repair mid fight, if the defender is offline, then guess what? They can't.

yet another point that Pvp is unfairly stacked towards the attackers.

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Why do you think i scrap most of my debuff items or save them for npc combat I've got a personal rule of not using more then 4 debuff artifacts (containment missiles not counting lol) on a player if i cant take them down with that amount i pass them up and call it a loss.

And it is kinda silly to join a game that says its pvp based and then not want to take part in the main part of the game. lol but then answer me this who was it that made you set a KV over a halc? Was it me? Or maybe it was your pet poodle.... your the one who set it that way. Honestly you cant stone wall someone and expect them not to want to make you pay in some way, just as you want to make the attackers pay for hitting you off the BT.

The fact your complaining about it makes you look bad as well you know seeing as you do the same thing just in a different manner.....

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