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Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:18 am
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so let me get this straight.

In a nut shell Darth, your argument is this?
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We should not add more depth and variety to the game. Due in large part of its ability to be taken advantage of by certain players and legions.
This type of activity is already exhibited with Exotica, why would you take that situation and make it worse?
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My question is, so if there are actions taking place that are "questionable" or could cause problems, why not address those directly?

Why would you quash future game additions and innovation due to a current problem, and not make any effort to address the problem.

Your argument is akin to "Cars break down, due to this possible eventuality i will never own a car because 10% of the time it could cause issues"

Why you insist on ruining innovation because of the actions of a select few is rather interesting.

just to run a few of your statements through, and why they dont make sense.

Darth Flagitious wrote:
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Look at it this way.
- No one "finds them". They are like exotica and have a related quest or story line(varying level requirements). The idea as presented by the OP is that they are SCANNED so you have to FIND them. Having them mission-based just gives the high power legions more toys while the rest of the galaxy just stares at a planet they'll never keep long enough to benefit from. I know its hard to read that only one may be owned at a time. That level would also effect it. I also find it funny that in the same paragrpah you say "gives the high power legions more toys" while arguing the planets should be scan depedant...Who i wonder has higher scanning power? Oh wait high levels and their legions.
- From a coding standpoint its not simple, but its not difficult either. (you already lose planetary bonus' every time you join and leave a legion. The mechanism exists, just need to change the outcome from lost stats to a lost planet. The mechanism for losing planets already exists as well in the form the 5gp abandon) Those two mechanisms are completely separate. Tying them together would create more problems than is worth Dan's time. Not entirely true. Will it create an interesting bug or two? Of course, when does that not happen? However your definite yet scant statement leads me to believe you dont understand how to code games of this type.
- Planet benefits should be benefiting the legion as well as the owner. (See Above post) Never said it shouldn't. The OP was player benefit heavy.
- You must be in a legion to own one. Why?? See above, why create a planet with legion wide benifits then allow it to be taken by a solo player....talk about pointless. plus at the level required to take them chances are the player will be in a legion anyways. This being a matter of fact enables the above.
- Like Exotica their defense will diminish to encourage thefts and player combat as well as prevent a legion from dominating a certain perk. (well it will attempt to prevent that as best you can) Exotica is an example of a legion (select group of elite legions actually) dominating a perk. One top legion takes it and passes it around for the perk until another top legion takes it. The number of legions to control Exotica (even after the daily nerf effect) long enough to get the perks can be counted on your hands. With fingers left over. So you would quash innovation and new content because of the questionable activities of some? Instead of addressing those activities or those players? Also instead of just "tossing in the towel" why can't exotica be tweaked to allow greater access?

As for the Weasly twins you mentioned:
This is also simple.

When a player willing leaves a legion while owning an "exotica" they forfeit control of the planet. The planet abandons in the same way a planet does when 5gp is spent.

"well that screws the legion" Thats the point. You would want to have your strong active and loyal players be the invaders. Lest they leave, the planet go "rogue" and another legion scoop it up.
It makes the legion decide as a whole which planet benefits the legion. It makes the legion decide whom they trust to colonize. It also punishes the legion if they choose poorly.Sorry, but aside from NAPs why should my legion have the right to say which planet I can colonize?(Don't trip in your rush to help your legion. Your unwillingness to donate some credits or a planet slot to benefit the whole legion is very telling.) If a legion wants to control a KotH, then the legion should make the effort to take it as a group. Look at Exotica. If your legion wants it, they have to work together to get it to an invadeable state, then everyone mashes the Invade button till someone gets it, everyone fails, or it gets protected again.(this would not be different in that regard, just more choices than the singular Exotica) And if you have to be in the legion to enjoy the benefits of the planet that YOU spent YOUR credits colonizing/invading and YOUR credits and minerals building structures on, what's to stop them from booting you and taking it straight away?(sounds like you have trust issues) Having an auto-abandon feature just makes it easier to "abuse" the system that is already causing so much consternation with Exotica.


Bottom line is this... There is already enough grief and drama surrounding ONE KotH planet. Guarding while halcyoned(should be disallowed), defriending people so you can attack them (so?), passing it to legionmates for the medal(once again your upset a legionmate is helping another legionmate), etc. Why in Dan's name would we want MORE? Because its generally assumed more and new content as opposed to old and overdone content attracts new and more players. Frankly a "new" quest line every month is a pitiful attempt at new content. Which currently is the only semi consistent game updates we get. Not to mention if the top 25 legions were able to have their own "exotica" what would be the point of the drama, the "trading"? Yes occasionally one will get abandoned and one will get stolen for its buffs, buts that combat, thats fun, thats challenge. Heck maybe two legion will decide to swap their planets every other week or month...Oh no diplomacy!


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@ HerrSticks Darhts gona be sooooo mad I %%%%%5 love this guy! hahaahahahaahah :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Btw learn more about the game 1st before you make that kinda cal on this, just saying. 8-) 8-) 8-)

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LoL Pony. I'm not gonna get mad. At least no more mad than you get trying to teach the little ones over there in Chesterfried.

Now HerrSticks...

  • If you have something that is arguably broken, why would you make more copies of it? Don't you think fixing what is broken FIRST, then adding similar content would be a much better idea? To usurp your car analogy, would you BUILD a car and upon realizing the transmission doesn't work, make 20 more just like it? Nooooo... You'll figure out how to fix the transmission, THEN make more of the operational car. Myself, I don't think Exotica is completely broken. PUBLIC OPINION is that Exotica is broken. I just think Halcyons and CAmps need fixed concerning planet guarding.

  • I just gave 7B credits today to a legion mate that was inactive for a bit and had to rebuild himself. I think he ended up with about 20B just from our leaders and officers, plus a bit from some of the crew. He also received several offers of planet shares at the same time. I've also given thousands of artifacts to not only my legion but also to our junior legion. I also defer on nearly all occasions FFA planets to my legionmates. Only after they fail invasions do I make an attempt. Do not presume to think I put myself before my legion.

  • I never said that such planets should be scanned. The Original Poster (OP) said that. I specifically said that would do very little to get them in a position to be fought over. You also must not be familiar with the mechanics of planet scanning, otherwise you would know that as long as your scan exceeds planetary cloak, you can scan a particular planet. Regardless whether it is greater by 1, by 100 or by 10000.

  • You're saying that because a legion gets benefit from a planet owned by ONE player, since only one person CAN own a particular planet, that player does not have the right to leave a legion for another one? A player in a 5 person legion has a much greater chance of losing said planet rather quickly than does that same player in a 50 person legion. A player has, at any time they choose, the right to change legions. Restricting that right because they own a "special" planet is counter to one of the basic tenets of the game. To play how you choose to play.

  • This whole suggestion is neither new nor innovative. It's just a very slight tweak of a feature that has been in the game since the beginning.

  • I trust my legion without question. Just as I hope they trust me. I feel that's why we have maintained a consistent presence in the top 10 legions in the game regardless of any stumbles or player shifts. Unfortunately, very few legions can claim that level of trust.

  • Had you actually been here in the forums when the medal tweak was added for Exotica, you would know that I was one of the, if not THE, first person to argue that there really wasn't anything wrong with the fumblerooski strategy.

  • You argue that this is new content (which it's not) that will attract new players, yet at the same time say this is something for the top 25 legions. Self-contradictory much?

  • From the way you talk, I can only assume you have no practical experience with the current purple turd.

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To add to Darths post , more exotica atm would only lead to more rage and me going out of control rage insane epic BS that makes Any thing mento has ever done look small. keep in mind he has a Big ship and is the chuck noris of GL so what i say i make his actions look small I meant it, add more brocken planets just like exotica to GL and have every one use its " glicth" and I will go- bat crap crazy- on any thing that moves. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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