Lol you can downvote Dan all you want, but at the end of the day he is still going to make the unpopular decision that preserves the longevity of the game over the popular decision that garners praise for himself.

Thanks for letting us know your opinion.



I personally like that idea as well, which wouldn't be so game breaking as removing the energy refills

At rank 1000 make the max energy refund per rank 15k.
People that know this change will rank more carefully, even tho they could in theory reach rank 1500 (1600 if they stock up on sacs) it would slow down high rank ranking considerably, and since Dan added content for that rank (new npcs) that would be a rather good rank to have people rank slower, and giving Dan a lot more time to add "larger" content such as missions specifically for higher ranks, and with the energy refund limit it would be actually a little hard to finish them (like it should)

A % based refund on rank should be better i think, 80% of the exp/4 would be nice, prevents people from autoranking a lot

that is completely untrue as it is if you only got a 7x rank refill in order to auto rank you would need to get a 8:1 exp: energy ratio which is basically impossible
even as human with a neural and rsl while npcing the highest i would have ever had is a bit under 5:1 and that is killing everything in the minimum hits

EDIT: woops i was thinking making it 35/4 so 8.75. 35 because its a little bit less than 40x rank needed for leveling, and divded by 4 which is about the best youd normally get npcing. I can see where you thought that wouldnt work. still can make it rank based though

This would Kill the game on so many levels...

We need lots of E because everything takes a lot of E

To sum up an average day without really doing anything


Bi weekly mission 3k E
Daily Mission 4K E
2 Bases 3k+ E

Npc alerts 2-5k E


this is an average day where i do nothing else in game no npcing/missions etc so this is about the minimum amount of E i can spend per day without the ability to rank up when i need to my ship would be useless if we have to sit around waiting for E for 36 hours+ per rank people will just leave the game and find another one that actually let's them play when they want.

Just my 2 cents.

Hmmm good point Kj, I hadn't considered the upper and lower limits of the argument as I should have. What I was referring to is the specific numbers you provided. In a "whichever is higher" scenario you could build up 15k energy early on and still auto rank for quite some time. And in reference to 35x rank, you can auto rank with 10-11x rank, so that would not have limited auto rank either. Again, I should have considered other option before making a definite statement like I did, but those specifics would not limit auto ranking.

i dont think he wants to make a 36 hour wait. i would see making it so maybe 4 hours of recharge are needed. may need to be higher though as that may be too easy to get for queens. (not sure what the average is from 1 level of npcing for a rank 1500 or so)

yeah i messed up saying 35.
i was thinking about 40x rank in EXP needed to level
forgot to divide by exp per energy.
point works numbers i had dont

Lol it's all good. Seems a lot of us got pretty excited to see Dan giving his input on an idea and we all rushed to give our input on the matter.

I want you guys to think about that we are aiming this towards high ranks (1500) before posting, there are only ~10 people that will be affected, and for the rest of us this will simply mean a upgrade "expension pack" if you will..

And at rank 1500... at 1000 i can easily find 10 queens in a npc run, dropping sacs 50/50
that's another 1500 energy that could be used to rank.

Instead of posting "NOOOO I WANT TO AUTORANK THIS IS BAD -1 BECAUSE I DONT THINK THIS TROUGH" think about everything, the exp left to rank... the exp you get for spending energy.. the extra energy you gain from queens, the energy from simple recharge, at rank 1500 i can imagine npcing takes 30 min+ with a normal connection, that's another 60 energy.

4 hours is 480 energy which is nothing. that hardly makes a dent...


This whole idea is absurd If you kill people's energy supply you will kill the game...

We dont sit there auto ranking 50 ranks a day the majority of players rank once or twice a day and this allows up to actually play the game and participate in the new elites legion mission etc take away our E we cant play if we cant play what choice do we have left but to quit?

You could play the game slower and enjoy talking to people? That's what I do lol. May not be as fun for most people as clicking stuff till your energy is at 0, but personally I enjoy chatting away with my legion while I wait for my e to recharge.

Uhh, It has not been "alot" of people who are excited to see Dan's response to your complaining. It seems like you and KJ to me. Can you explain to me why you want a game we've played for years to be fundamentally changed for your pet peeve? Is it jealousy because you are unwilling to spend real money on a game and thus are jealous of those who have actually worked their way into a place they can enjoy the game? What do you gain by this change being made? You think it is more "fair" to you? Please explain so we can all understand why you want to change the game for others. You don't like people to enjoy the game?

Those who play this game, know Dan has added content that uses more energy, and that is good in general because it makes things challenging. But to add the kind of "balance" you are suggesting, is to basically tell people stop playing the game because you don't like it or can't do it yourself.

Those who no longer spend money on energy refills, still spend it on other things. Taking this option from the game is not a good solution. And there is no real reasonable rationale to make the changes you suggest.

For someone who isn't even close to that rank you sure pretend to know a lot about what it's like...


It may be fine for you in your small legion come over here for a few weeks and try and do Daily Bi weekly hit Npc alerts and bases all on 1 tank of E. I'm getting real tired of people finding ever new and inventive ways to screw everyone else over.

I've had the ability to auto rank since rank 210 this doesn't mean i am going to every time.

Another factor is autoranking on Npc's fine you need about 10.1 E ratio

But if you just hit elites bases do dailies etc 14.1 ratio isn't enough to rank you up.

So if you want to eliminate auto ranking completely you'd have to cut the Max E ratio down to like 8.1 or something stupid making the game unplayable.

You , don't get why people play this game do you. Why we picked this one to spend so much cash on?? There is nothing wrong with it. You had a grate game! now it eems like your just trying to push upper rank out so you don't have to spend time on new stuff and it kinda starting to look like you have read the Zanga Hand book. Just relax a little.

I have never once complained about higher ranks in any way. I have no proposed any new ideas to limit auto ranking. What I HAVE done is to read Dans comment in this thread and respond accordingly. Dan did not respond to me, I responded to him. I do not want the game changed, but if the game is going to be changed I damn sure want to make sure we flesh out the best possible method before it happens. Why would I be jealous of anyone in this game? I have my ship set up to auto rank if I wanted to, but 9 times out of 10 I choose not to. My ship is no position to make me envy others.

if the amount of energy you gain from ranking is decreased, then i will almost certainly pretty much quit the game as i'm sure many other players would, doing this would just serve as a method to get more people to spend money on refills to level. Look at the new mission, pretty much 40gp if you want a decent reward from it and at legion missions, 8gp to change the timer by an hr, that's almost 100gp to change the timer about 17%, just another way to try and obtain more gp ruining the game!

Because at low ranks that means a couple of hours if i drained my energy attacking a base for example i could come back on in 3 days and still not have the energy i need to rank up...

I'm not a low rank. It does not take me a couple of hours to recharge the needed energy. I may not be in the top 1% of ranks, but I am in the rank range that for the past 2 years has been considered high rank and only recently has begun to change.

Well that is a blatant lie when Gp refills are they can buy as many of them as you want...