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candidgamera, if you dislike the task so much, don't pick it. Rewards have costs, and if you aren't willing to pay the price, then don't. What's the fun when there's no challenge? I.E. The talth chain. It costs 500k energy. Why isn't that absurd too? Why do people do it? It shouldn't cost any refills to complete in a day, right? They want the reward, and they pay for it.


The key difference is so obvious that I have to assume you're being purposefully disingenuous. The Taltherian Mission chain doesn't vanish after three days. I don't mind investing huge amounts of energy over the course of months. Because I don't have to use energy refills at all, unless I feel like it.


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And to the people who equate the current spawn rate of legion mission NPCs to challenge - that's ridiculous.

Having to click two hundred thousand times over the course of five hours to do something isn't challenging, it's tedious. It doesn't require intellect, it doesn't require reflexes or timing, it doesn't even require strategy or strength; just the willingness to do it and the lack of anything better to do. There's more challenge in operating a zipper.

So anyone who wants to pursue the line of "thought" that I'm complaining because it's too challenging will be ignored.


Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:10 pm
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KJ, thats not the argument,

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Having to click two hundred thousand times over the course of five hours to do something isn't challenging, it's tedious. It doesn't require intellect, it doesn't require reflexes or timing, it doesn't even require strategy or strength; just the willingness to do it and the lack of anything better to do. There's more challenge in operating a zipper.
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Can't say I care whether you do it or not, nor why you don't want to do it. It's voluntary. Don't like it? Don't do it. The rewards are for those to want to complete it.

If you want something that tests your timing and reflexes, spend more time practicing with your zipper. Most of us mastered that pretty early.

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KJ, thats not the argument,

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Having to click two hundred thousand times over the course of five hours to do something isn't challenging, it's tedious. It doesn't require intellect, it doesn't require reflexes or timing, it doesn't even require strategy or strength; just the willingness to do it and the lack of anything better to do. There's more challenge in operating a zipper.
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im very techie :P

Responding to the comment 2 befor mine and at least one previous complaining about having to use a refill.

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I've done several of these tasks now. I think the spawn rate is just about right. What was ridiculous was the Sarkonis spawn rate.

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I just spent at least 16K energy to hunt down ten Crimson Sniper Drones. It's absurd.

It's not bad at all... just did mine today, 1k NPC and 46 min later it's done

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And to the people who equate the current spawn rate of legion mission NPCs to challenge - that's ridiculous.

Having to click two hundred thousand times over the course of five hours to do something isn't challenging, it's tedious. It doesn't require intellect, it doesn't require reflexes or timing, it doesn't even require strategy or strength; just the willingness to do it and the lack of anything better to do. There's more challenge in operating a zipper.

So anyone who wants to pursue the line of "thought" that I'm complaining because it's too challenging will be ignored.

If you insist... then ignore the legion missions completely and go with something that you can call do-able and worthwhile. Again, you must sow the seeds to harvest the crop and you can choose not to. Tediousness is a challenge, one of patience and persistence.


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I find the level of effort required to be too much for a casual facebook game - I don't think it's too much to ask to make them a little more common so I don't have to invest so much time.


No one's asking you to invest anything. You chose the task yourself. No shame in picking something easier for you next time.


I'm the highest level person in my Legion. If I don't do the NPC hunt mission, most of the other guys simply just can't. Which means the whole avenue of "Legion Missions" get closed off to us. I mean, maybe Dan only wrote Legion Missions for the people who are super-intense about Facebook games, but I think that design philosophy is going to see his audience diminish in the long-term.

No, the whole "avenue" of legion missions does not get closed off. Success overall does drop, but it's not like the other rewards do not get credited. The feature is edged toward high-ranked players, and legions with less high-ranked players will have far more difficulty with completing and succeeding with such tasks.


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And to the people who equate the current spawn rate of legion mission NPCs to challenge - that's ridiculous.

Having to click two hundred thousand times over the course of five hours to do something isn't challenging, it's tedious. It doesn't require intellect, it doesn't require reflexes or timing, it doesn't even require strategy or strength; just the willingness to do it and the lack of anything better to do. There's more challenge in operating a zipper.

So anyone who wants to pursue the line of "thought" that I'm complaining because it's too challenging will be ignored.


the challange isnt finding the NPC's - if you have the right ship setup for autoranking all that requires is killing around 1000 -2000 NPC's and you will have it done.
that in it self, as you put it, isnt more challenging then operating a zipper. all it takes is a few 1000 click and that you are willing to gain the ranks needed to find the NPC's

but before you get to that point, you need to set up your ship for autoranking, unless you are willing to simply buy x energy refills every time you go for a NPC Legion mission
get the extra NPC slots, so you dont get blocked in by boss/elite NPC (or a legion that kills all NPC's shared farst)
and increase your chance to find them as mutch as posible = getting rid of as many mission NPC's as poisble

autoranking is a stradegy choice, just like building a SSB ship or sitting on your behind and doing nothing but pick up artifackt points to increase your shipstrength is


I have completed all NPC legion missions atleast one time
Siladon Mines, semes to be the hardest one to find for some reason - the 2 times I have completed that mission it ended up costing me around 30K-35K energy

Galakis Pirate + Crimson Sniper Drone are easy, ended up costing me 15K-20K energy, the only thing here that can be a problem here is you need atleast 400 energy to kill a Galakis Pirate due to them beeing rank 200 (= max 500 dammage pr hit) and they have high hull, so no point in trying to get them on scanner if you have less then 500 energy left

T.O. Dropship Carrier, quite easy as they can be shared in legion - but the problem with these is it take a bit of fire power before you can lock them
T.O. Dropship Carrier (Elite 3)
Attack 5,000, Defense 6,000
Shields 250,000, Hull 60,000
Abilities Mass Purge (Will sometimes purge itself of most negative effects while being attacked.)

Personaly did one thing wrong, the first time we had this mission - I could easily have hunted down 5-10 of these to help oure low rank members compleet this mission if I had posponed finishing it, but once you compleet the task you can no longer find them

the most chalangeing one is proberly the Xathe Vortex Entity
finding them is around as dificult as finding the Galakis Pirates and Crimson Sniper Drones, but the tricky part is that it cost 100 energy to use the Vortex Entity Enclosure on them once you have taken down the shield (and again rank 200 + shield 30.000 = atleast 300 energy to do so)
that is 1000 energy where you dont get any exp, that can frack up your auto ranking and delay your hunt for them a bit if you dont keep an eye on both energy left and exp needed to rank
but again, if you have enougth enginers or have saved up a few Silthion Energy Sac, this isn't realy a huge problem


the Legion mission NPC's er easy to find if you ask me
the once that are rediculessly hard to find are the season NPC's - yesterday took me around 65K energy to hunt down 1 Bio-Con Alpha, Lepus Elite, and it was the same with the Q-peed elites and the scrouges

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I've never had to spend over 2 hours completing any of the legion npc missions. (and those are all I've done to date)
Spawn rates are fine.

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Can't say I care whether you do it or not, nor why you don't want to do it. It's voluntary. Don't like it? Don't do it. The rewards are for those to want to complete it.

If you want something that tests your timing and reflexes, spend more time practicing with your zipper. Most of us mastered that pretty early.


You probably should have spent a little time mastering reading comprehension. In any case, I realize this must come as a shock to you, but there are other people in the world who are not you, and who want different things than you do.


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Ironic, that people blast this out of the water, and then fall all over themselves trying to justify why the npcs themselves should take less clicks because they have painful carpal tunnel syndrom. They spend more time killing other npcs than the targets themselves.


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well, they are also trying to justify making them spawn more frequently such that it takes less time on the other NPCs.

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Can't say I care whether you do it or not, nor why you don't want to do it. It's voluntary. Don't like it? Don't do it. The rewards are for those to want to complete it.

If you want something that tests your timing and reflexes, spend more time practicing with your zipper. Most of us mastered that pretty early.


You probably should have spent a little time mastering reading comprehension. In any case, I realize this must come as a shock to you, but there are other people in the world who are not you, and who want different things than you do.

Exactly, there are. And that might be who the mission is meant for, so if you are unhappy with the mission, dont pick it.

Again, I'd LOVE for the NPCing to get easier, but I cannot justify that to be anything but laziness. And frankly, I still can't see anyone justify it in any other way. Dedication is rewarded, no dedication =no reward. simple as that.

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Ironic, that people blast this out of the water, and then fall all over themselves trying to justify why the npcs themselves should take less clicks because they have painful carpal tunnel syndrom. They spend more time killing other npcs than the targets themselves.


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Exactly, there are. And that might be who the mission is meant for, so if you are unhappy with the mission, dont pick it.


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+1 some legion missions are nearly impossible to finish


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I dont think LM NPC should be made any easier to find, as pointed out they are not supposed to be easy. I had failed the silidon mines and galakis pirate missions several times before i finally completed them. As my rank and energy reserves grow, it does get easier to complete these missions. Im at only rank 500ish and it is already getting easier to complete these missions.It still takes me almost the entire time to find them all and I can still fail sometimes, but Im sure at even higher ranks it gets even easier.
LMs are geared towards higher ranked players and legions, just the way Dan made them.If you're not able to complete them yet, just hang in there, it will get easier.


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honestly I skip them...I have only really got a kill on the npcs just for the medal. I completed one, the drop ships only because other people can alert them. The pay out is not worth doing IMHO granted Im rank 533 and I dont have the best ship out there by far but they really dont seem worth it at all. Im happy getting the Cybernetic Remote Link or Chthonian gass exchanger then go hunting down rsl ships that dont pop up on my bt (haha one just did, but im already 6/20 on the Link). Honestly where do you go wrong with a ship mod that adds to attack, def, cloak, scan and energy?

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Can't you read previous posts, you lazy people.

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