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Hi Drake! ok let me try and make it a little more clear,,,anyone that has a 15 defence should not be able to throw a trap on lets say an 800 defense,,,wether u are big or small,,,if new ships are joining sure give them some beginner protection time to get going like they do in dragons of atlantis or kingdoms of camelot...etc but once they are off it, its fair game,,,besides battle tabs only go up and down so high anyway,,,and as far as bigger ships on little not being balanced? let me point the simple fact out that this is called Galaxy LEGION, not galaxy one on one, if a smaller ship is getting beat on, let them join a legion and let their legion come to their aid,,,that is the nature of the game,,,but if they are all out there by their lonesome and get smashed then whos fault is it? they should have created or found a legion to join,,,,but the other thing i was tryin to mention that i did not get to was the fact that even ships that are the same rank or even bigger,,,,they can just put their defence down to 15 and put traps on and get a guy with 1000 defence and that really blows,,,i will move on and play of course as i always do but i went to the suggestions and ideas to suggest that the trap catching power should be equivalent to the defence power a ship has on,,,just like raiding or hacking,,u have to have enough crew or cloak to do either and be closer in power,,,,a 15 defence on any ship wether its a 50 rank or 1000 rank,,,should not be able to have trap power on a much higher defence,,,its not unbalanced because this is not galaxy one on one this is galaxy LEGION ,,,the indivdual players who work hard to build their ships up should not be equalized by a trap that any size ship can put on,,,again i was merely trying to SUGGEST something, not have a pissing contest with this knights dude who got all bent out of shape....most of the time if i have an idea i message Dan himself in order to avoid all this but i gave it a shot and people that have been around a long time said this would happen and i should just avoid the forums and just play and after the past couple days i just may do that....happy hunting to all

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hehehe ....Drake, u should know me a little by now,,,come on,,, being a baby? afraid? I think you just like to try and push me cause you know that Im neither,,,not posting in a forum doesnt mean someone is those things it actually just means that sometimes they just dont wana swim in all the b**lsh*t, i think some people come here and really like to fight and get to the " one up my ship is better than your ship caca" ,,,seriously i feel like saying drop your draws and go measure with someone else, then come back when u got ur little billy bada** fix and we will talk ideas,,,and you and sgt and John,,,you all have diffrent mindsets when it comes to your own legion and forum talk,,,but i guess im leaning whats important to you all and what you could care less about when it comes to the legion....all i meant was that any ship that is past beginner status and knows the game,,,if they CHOOSE to put their defence down really low like a 15 and someone else has an 800....then the TRAP CATCHING ratio should go down to like 95% ineffective. but if the defence is 500, 1000, 1500, etc , the TRAP CATCHING ratio should obviously increase on wether or not they catch you in it. Im finding there are guys around my level that drop to 15 cause they know the trap will catch and protect and i think thats caca,,,if you choose to boost other parts of your ship and lower ur defence than the trap catching ratio should be lowered right along with it,,,period.

I feel like this defeats the purpose of traps though; if you have high enough stats to deter them anyway then you don't really need the traps. You put traps on to protect you from people who can beat you.

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this is the kind of garbage im talking about,,,u have no clue of what legion unity is nor by ur comments do u even care,,,it sends a clear message to everyon in PA which says "hey my individual comments and talking trash to a legion member are more important than the legion unity,,, one word........PATHETIC

Ok Vamp.
+1 For your suggestion. (The initial reason for this thread)

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This isn't a request to change traps to work based on defense. It is a request to change traps to work on level. The rationale is simple - a lower level ship with nothing but defense, won't have nearly the defense of a higher level ship that puts very little into defense. A level 80 ship that is nothing but a heavily shielded brick of neutronium would stand no chance to trigger it's traps against a level 200 that has just two defensive modules equipped.

If you want to do this, you should base the trap's effectiveness on the percentage of decks taken by defensive systems.

But even then it's not 'reality'. Defense is defense. Traps are traps. They aren't really the same thing. Five people with shovels can pretty reliably stop a tank, if they dig a deep enough high-walled trench.

thank you for the input. when you play baseball, you dont just put the pitcher out there for defence and expect to win a game. He has 8 others to help him making the defence have more strength. when you just put on 15 and a trap, it should be the same. the first 50 levels of the game you really dont deal with traps anyway unless you have a legion member helping you out. So now when you get to the intermediate levels the players knowing the trap strength just pit defence way down because of it and in my opinion it should not be as strong because you have less defence to manuver and retaliate right? so if the ship that chose to put his defence down,,,they should not have enough manuvering ability to make the trap as effective. I really appreciate your input though

You keep making these analogies, but none of them are really analogous to the situation. Traps have nothing to do with defense. It doesn't matter how good or bad you are at dodging, if there's a pitfall right in front of you then anybody who tries to hit you is going to fall in. Traps are not related to defense.

on the contrary they are exactly related to defence as thats how these people use them and they know it thats why they put their defence down. But if we get into what kind of trap thats a good point. These traps have to do with attacking a ship specifically,,,they are in the heat of battle so technically if it has to do with the ships ability to spring a trap to PROTECT ITSELF , thus it has to do with defence. A halycon, kionus, omicron, thetacron are solely and specifically designed for defence. They have no offense whatsoever, and a ship isnt gona stay in the same place during a battle, thats rediculous. so in the way that I see them used on this game Im just asking if the people lower their defense, then they lower their ability to even use traps as traps in nature are purely designed for defense

That's defense in the general sense, not Defense in the stat sense. Defense as a stat is the ability to avoid attacks, which is unrelated to whether or not someone falls into your trap, as in my analogy. If anything you would want lower defense; you wouldn't want to avoid an attack in such a way that they would no longer fall for your trap, so really the lower their defense the higher the chance you'll hit their trap; again, as in my analogy. Be careful not to confuse Defense (the stat) with defense (as a general term).

Halcyons freeze your attacker... A freeze trap is a freeze trap, thats his point about the pit analogy. Freeze a guy with a gun, freeze a tank, freeze a battleship... All the same effect.

Omicrons are OFFENSIVE traps, they deal straight damage to the attacker, which is why little ships hate them. No relation to defense.

Quantums, no relation to attack at all, moot.

Krios are pretty much the only one who actually help someone's defense indirectly by lowering their attacker's damage potential.

But they're all traps. There are, for example, EMPs who scale to lower defense of your target because they are percentage based. Or a myriad of other defense lowering artifacts already that again, have a scaled effect because its by percentage.

Many aspects of this game don't mirror any realism, that I agree... But again, they are one-time, and up-until-recently, unremovable traps, sprung by damage or hacking.

Null fuse FTW I guess, this is why I avoided using Halcyons like the plague.

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In a baseball game where I'm allowed to mine the bases, I might just put a pitcher out there and laugh as your big sluggers try to round first and get blown up.

LMAO

The Realism as you put it is more of what I am addressing. Sure overall this is a Fantasy game Based on SOME realism scenarios. Bottom line: we all know that when people put halycons and other traps down, they are doing it for the purpose of protection which means defense. As I mentioned before I fight alot of ships higher than me most of the time and Im seeing them lower their defense down to nothing because of the traps so they are TWEEKING the game constructs to their fullest which at this point is allowed.
In that light of how alot of ships are using them I strongly suggest they make the traps linked to defense power. If the omicron mine is offense maybe thats an exception, but if its not changed then what purpose does it really make to focus on building defence? all that research, all that time, all those hours,,,easily obliviated by a halc. I am asking that they correct the over abusing if this as in my opinion has become more widely used.
And lets not forget, these traps are used DURING BATTLE. Thats why they dont hit right away so again in my opinion its related to defence