@Blitz...

Im neither against the idea or for it, if there benefits to having a third tier and Dan see's the wisdom and desire for such action then thats cool. Would I like to promote certain people in my legion to a higher status if this idea saw its way to reality...yes, we have many deserving members.

However, the "other" things I mentioned have ruined a fun part of the game for myself and for many other players. Offering an alternative idea that incorporated your NCO suggestion and helps to fix a part of the game I miss seems like a good way to make the galaxy spin back in the right direction.

But all this talk of the third tier and its usefulness is rubbish when there are real issues to be resolved in the game. 80 billion to invade a planet?? No missions or mods for our higher ranking players, people still hiding behind omicron nets after how many months and when they originally were supposed to be made unusable??? The base combat needs much more work yet...the list of fixes is long so im sorry but i do wholeheartedly believe there are far more pressing issues that need to be addressed b4 this one.

The fact that I dont care for you personally does not mean my points have no merit. So you as a legion CHOOSE to limit your officers/leaders the way you do is your own business and the rules dont need to change....BTW you flatter yourself you ceased to have any importance to me long ago.

"You need to keep that business out of the forum here and stick to the matter at hand where it belongs.
We don't need flame wars and drama going on in an area where ideas are supposed to be expressed."

Once again you flatter yourself......how this is a flame war i have no idea....have you all become so so so humorless?

"Privates aren't trained to make decisions but to follow them."

"So no I don't trust all 50 guys to make critical decisions just like the military doesn't."

This is not a ww2 or other such game if thats what you want there are already countless one and that does not mean that because it has certain military aspects this is not and i repeat the ARMY its a sci fi space game and not every thing here need to mirror real life military structures.

"A legion doesn't need too many Chiefs and not enough Indians and adding members to share the red badge burden adds to the chaos factor because there is too much room for human error as I stated earlier. "

Since however you like to trot out military example after example so can I

"No a legion doesn't need 5 leaders and 10 officers to make decisions for the legion. A few good men can get that done easily and that's why I posted this thread."

General Dwight David Eisenhower was still only a general......supreme allied commander yes but his RANK is that of 5 Star General Not leader and there were other generals too right? Like Patton Bradly Mc Carthur....Did we loose the war or did the take there role and prosecuted the war. Oh BTW thats not even counting the Russians and there Millions of troops. Just as not all generals are equal so it can also be with both leaders and officers. In our legion we all have our roles without having to have and extra class which has not ever been necessary. I cant even begin to count how many "generals" there actually were BTW


"Likewise a member could just lock on a base and have a few friends that they feel they can take by themselves and not thinking about the entire legion needing or getting silver badges or a certain member might have a problem with an officer or leader and could lock on a base for the hell of it when most aren't ready or online to attack it."


I thought you guys were supposed to be such a well oiled machine and such a great "team". Cant you trust your members to follow and read announcements?

"Just because 3 classes of membership is plenty for you doesn't mean it is for every legion.
The more options a person or legion can have the better. I don't know anyone who likes restrictions that doesn't allow them to run something better and more efficient."


Seems to have been working for plenty of other legions....Most have more leaders/officers then your legion does.....so I still dont see how this is not anything but this is not working for your legion so it needs fixing?

"By the way adding another tier to a legion isn't redundant. It would take a load off of the Leaders and Officers with the red badge burden."

Why do you keep saying this....You only have that burden because it is how you set your base rules.....if you dont like the burden change it


In closing I noticed you did not address any of my points or suggestions but rather choose to babble on about this military procedure and that military procedure, let me again remind you this is not an army game and to just be silly how do you know what kind of military structure a konqul has? or even worse your telling me a vogid has the exact same military hierarchy as humans? Im sorry I dont like your precious idea because it seems redundant. It is as i said before....we dont want you as an officer. My suggestion as an improvement to your original thought would be to have more control over what individual officers are allowed....This officer a can do x while officer b can do y. If this idea does fly please at least keep it in the spirit of a sci fi game and call t something besides NCO .

I would love to see this idea implemented, especially with recent change in base combat cool down time to 8 hrs. I think Leader and Officer should be for overall legion administration and NCOs can be assigned solely for legion base related stuffs like base scanning, ability usage, etc. I like having compact administrative leadership as well as NCO's for better base resource control.

I think that would be the best use of that position, i couldn't have said it better!

I don't see how awarding those players with officer status and then internally segregating the officer structure would not solve the problem, ie: some people are upper officers and others are lower officers, just like in the military, you have 2nd lieutenants and lieutenants, captains, majors, etc, they are all officers.

Personally I don't see the point. There are only 60 or so people in each of the large legions. There doesn't seem to be any point in having more than 3 rank structures. What would make more sense is being able to customize each officer's abilities with in the legion. Even this however would be a serious waste of time and money considering the developers would be putting their efforts to far better use unscrewing the base combat system whose structure inherently leads to the smaller legions being preyed upon by all. As it stands now, any base of LVL 5 or more can be made nearly impenetrable with any kind of active membership. A LVL 7 base as we find in The Dysonians, Ni & others aren't even looked at as viable options by groups of other top 10 legions.

To summarize... GREAT idea in a game where there could be 100-200+ members. TERRIBLE waste of energy in a game with an existing structure such as GL, that needs serious tweaking just to keep from making those with the deepest pocket books invulnerable. I'm not saying the game is deliberately set to cause this, but that is the effect none-the-less.

Personally I don't see the point. There are only 60 or so people in each of the large legions. There doesn't seem to be any point in having more than 3 rank structures. What would make more sense is being able to customize each officer's abilities with in the legion. Even this however would be a serious waste of time and money considering the developers would be putting their efforts to far better use unscrewing the base combat system whose structure inherently leads to the smaller legions being preyed upon by all. As it stands now, any base of LVL 5 or more can be made nearly impenetrable with any kind of active membership. A LVL 7 base as we find in The Dysonians, Ni & others aren't even looked at as viable options by groups of other top 10 legions.

To summarize... GREAT idea in a game where there could be 100-200+ members. TERRIBLE waste of energy in a game with an existing structure such as GL, that needs serious tweaking just to keep from making those with the deepest pocket books invulnerable. I'm not saying the game is deliberately set to cause this, but that is the effect none-the-less.

Bottom line, the dysonians whine about something to twist the game to their advantage, Dan does it because they spend lots of money and they blackmail him into doing it by threatening to quit giving him money. therefore, nothing anyone else says or thinks matters. I realize Dan made this game to make money not just to have fun, but, it's gotten asinine kinda killing the fun.

Come to think of it , we do have an order of ranked Officers but we're not able to show it.
I've been the Senior officer for a long time now since I was one for DOO. More Officers were added over time that grew into the positions that showed leadership qualities.

There is noway to show what ranked officer I am or the positions the other officers are. Right now it's a tossup for a couple guys to be ranked Major then down the line . It would be nice to have a rank for each officer as well as an NCO / sergeant rank if it were implemented.

I would like this NCO thing IF legions where larger, but at this point I would have to disagree with the Idea. I really don't like the thought of having 50% of my legion be in a non-member position.

Funny how this contradicts your previous statement of "You need to read every word in this thread. Egos have nothing to do with any of the this." Ego has everything to do with it. If you are a senior officer then be content with it, what does it matter what other people see in the roster..or heaven forbid that someone were to think that you are not a senior officer. You want to solve the problem? Promote a few people to officer so that they can do base fighting, except again, you do not seem to want to dilute your power base. If any of the 3 1k+ ranked players were given officer status, people outside the dysonians would possibly think that those 3 outrank you, so you need some kind of a paper champion status to both appease them but at the same time make sure that it formally acknowledges that they are below you. You say ego has nothing to do with it, I say otherwise.