abuse the system??? its setup to give people who DONT PVP, a two hour window of safety whilst theyre off sleeping or working or in school.. how about STFU and play smart. this has gone on long enough

abuse the system??? its setup to give people who DONT PVP, a two hour window of safety whilst theyre off sleeping or working or in school.. how about STFU and play smart. this has gone on long enough

Well, I got about 2 lines into a rather nice response to neo, but seems icarium has beaten me to it.

Icarium one thats rather close to foul language just warning and also from the way your talking its the same as everyone else who hasn't read the idea i put out about having a halc trip before other traps.
Also darth no one is making you reply other then yourself dont like it can always move to another topic on the forums.

youve complained about both the halc tripping and you being unable to get the kill, AND about using nulls on someone your trying to disable..
your forcing YOUR play style on someone who DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT. but being in a war game, its quite a generous arti that removes you from the fighting pool for 2 hours. so again. STFU. <--- dont like my letters, then thats not my problem. I dont care what you think they stand for. could be anything in the world

I made no such comment about not getting to have a kill i said the idea would make you harder to kill.

(and icarium we all know what it means its called in other mmos a filter dodge i cant stop you from doing that but then you cant say i didnt warn you if you get disciplined for it)

Not getting your kill is all you've been whining about dude~

"WAH! wasted null!" "WAH! unbeatable shield!" "WAH forced refreshed so i can't circumvent the INTENTION of the trap"

There is no point feeding a troll but I can't help it... Its not that you are outspoken it's that you don't have the intelligence to understand what has been said. You ignore everything that isn't your opinion and repeat yourself over and over. Whine winge moan ad infinitum.

The system works..

As for beating people into dust that I doubt if you are only menacing LOL

All this moaning and you are not even a pvper no wonder you don't get it. You must be about level 200 and want everything easy. Learn about the game, play within the existing framework. Make it work for you.

Nothing you have said makes it harder to kill someone. It saves the attacker energy tripping traps first hit.. Specifically the halcyon trap.. Saves the attacker artifacts whilst wasting the defenders artifacts. Look at traps this way...Omicron to say look I have traps... Krionus to say look leave me alone... finally null to say look you dumb f*** you kept attacking when you could see I'm trapped up because I don't want to pvp.. now you wasted your energy and got nothing don't you feel stupid. The halcyon is the last line of defence not the first as it expires in 2 hours then you are vulnerable again. Maybe it should be tripped first and last 8 hours would that be better?

The halcyon trap has been made now so you can't have done any offensive actions in 24 hours. That is a limitation that was implemented when it was changed so it affects the defender rather than the attacker. They are not used by people that are actively participating in pvp. Those are the people you want to be playing against.. Or is it... They are more likely to attack you back. HAH is that it you want to kill people that won't kill you back?

After everything you people have said I've come to a decision........you guys need to stop playing the game if you cant understand what i was getting at.... the point i was aiming at wasn't getting a kill its the intentional act of forcing someone to waste a null.

You guys have said main times that if someone puts on a halc that they don't want to take part in pvp.

Then i say if they don't want to take part in it then why should they be able to use a method to make someone else waste thousands of artifact points trying to get a null.

There is a idea called risk vs reward currently the effort it takes to get a red far far out weighs how much its worth once you get your dom mk3 the only thing you need to get reds are scanning for bases, the upgrade to the auto blasters is currently not even worth talking about.

What I have been trying to get across to you guys isn't a loop hole or anything of the sort. The idea is one to help take the frustration out of a long slow and painful grind, without breaking the game's balance you would still have to work for your badges, and the passive players still get there defenses to work and in fact there defenses last longer giving them more bang for the buck.

you just dont get it... a null isnt a even a small drop in the bucket for Arti points. your just a low ranker who wants to complain because your only getting a few and can work thru a few kvts.. whats your ign, id love to find you and say hi

if you wanted 'easyier' pvp, then you should have done it before your current rank, its only going to get tougher.

When you understand that smart non-PvP players WANT you to waste a null because you're trying to disable them, this thread will end quietly.

The thing you're missing is that having a halcyon trip off first doesn't magically give you more defense, hull and shield for when it wears off. Those are the things that make a ship harder to disable, not the order their traps go off. You keep going on and on about the same idea in every discussion about halcyons. You are wrong. Period. Apparently YOU are the one that needs to stop playing the game because you're not realizing that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM.

@Crunch... doing that is abusing the system..

A null fuse costs 2k artifact points and is also a rare/uncommon this means if your looking for a null you better be ready to get a load of useless artifacts as well, This is what i mean by a null costs alot. Depending on your luck you might end up burning thru 30k artifacts or more.

AS for your jab about rank and other things shows a gross lack of maturity, to answer your question about my ign well then use your brain its rather easy to figure it out if you spend time looking around online enough.

And the reason i say its abusing the system to intentionally set a kv over a halc seeing as the amount of points a null uses is more then the amount you would lose from a disable and raid, so why should a attacker end up paying more for just trying to launch attack? As others have said on this thread this at its core is a pvp game, not the space farmvill its turning into.

Setting a KV over a halc is the same as someone zeroed arti bombing you just in a different method.

While i will admit the idea behind the halc is indeed valid as well as needed there needs to be some kind of limit other then the fact you have to wait a day to use a halc, seeing as more then half the player base constantly hide behind halcs.

If you have a better idea about how to fix or balance pvp then speak up, and saying that its fine is rather lazy seeing as by my count there's at most only 10 players wanting to keep it the way it is, and everyone else wishes for some kind of change many of them are even higher rank then i am.

I'm giving your a chance to be productive instead of hiding behind poorly masked trolling, if you cant think of something then i respectfully ask for you to keep your peace and let the ones who would like to add something new to this subject have a chance to speak, we have had more then enough of this arguing between the same bull headed suborn people.


(P.S. darth when was the last time you agreed with anything anyone else said? Because I've been stalking these forums for some time most of the posts you've had is negative responses that is not needed, and when you do agree on something its rare. WE have enough troll in game already with dans odd sense of humor we dont need any more)

you keep saying it needs fixing, but ITS NOT BROKEN.
Sorry, i dont feel like reading all your posts. you could just answer all the questions without dodging them... unless your scared.

as for the nulls being 'rare/uncommon' YOU ARE AN IDIOT. every artifact has the exact same likelihood to drop given that you have 19K or less arti points, or if you have over 20K, then its got one less chance because you can get the MSP.

quit whining about hitting kvts before halcs. the people your hitting are playing well within the game mechanics.
they arent arti bombing you, YOUR ATTACKING THEM. your the one being aggressive so. personally I would like to see the halcs last 4-8 hours.. since 2 hours is only a minor hiccup in time considering most people sleep 6-8 hours a day. or work 8-12 hour days. or just have a life.

Why would I agree with someone when they are wrong? That's pretty moronic...

Now, if you are referring to my "negative" responses to suggestions and why I rarely agree with something... Maybe because I'm not a little sheep that says "baa baa +1"... I've seen pretty much every suggestion made over the last 2 years. I also know how to look at things from multiple perspectives, not just how something would affect me.

• If it's a good idea and is something that can work in the game without creating an imbalance then I gladly support it.
• If it's a reasonable idea but has minor flaws in it, I point out the flaws so that the idea can be either scrapped or developed to eliminate those flaws.
• If it's a bad, unbalancing, or ridiculously stupid idea, I say so.

Unfortunately, about 99.7 percent of the ideas put in the S&I forum fall into that last category.

Well guys thank you for proving a point i made earlier in the thread




I tried to be reasonable and make comprises letting you get your own ideas out there but you proved what i said you would freak out and act like it was the other side who started the problem.

Well I don't know what thread you are reading, but in this one it's only you still moa...errrr posting in favour of a change. Everyone else has understood how the mechanics work and agrees and has stopped posting.

There have been suggestions but you again haven't responded to any, you've stuck to your "I'm right and nobody listens to me" attitude for 2 entire threads.

To be honest if it carries on nobody will listen to you ever. Accept the fact that pvp isn't broken (in the way you are suggesting) and people use traps if they don't want to be involved. People have lives they don't want to be disabled every time they log in (costing credits and artifacts) and if they are attacked then the traps slow down the attackers perhaps even stop them. Wait until you get high enough that nearly everyone has Gemini cannons.

If you want balance then pvp should be re-worked and damage caps scrapped, no repairing for an attacker during a battle as that's an advantage to them especially it the defender is offline, debuffs shouldn't stack, last but not least the same 30-50 people wouldn't keep cycling on your battle tab. Would you be in favour of these changes? You are saying you want to make it harder for people to be disabled I'm not seeing that in your posts what I am seeing is you complaining that you don't get enough nulls and those bad people use a krio then a halc and that makes YOU waste a null. What about their trap that you triggered? You want the halc to trigger first but why? To save your nulls not to protect the person being attacked. It was suggested earlier in the thread.. yes in one of the replies you completely avoided responding to that maybe they could be triggered first if the effect lasted longer 2 hours is not enough for people that work/go to school/have a life.

For once in your life try to see things from a different perspective you aren't right all the time and in this occasion definitely not. If you attack someone the onus is on you not the defender, your artifacts are on the line as much as their traps. Remember nobody forces you to attack people that's your choice and your choice only.

Now do you get it?



Thanks for your generosity in allowing us to to respond, but remember the attacker DOES start the problem.

Biz what i was complaining about are the people how intentionally set a KV just to troll you.

And as for some of the other stuff you brought up i agree to some of them and others not so much the damage cap is there for a reason without it many players would be dead in 5-6 hits not to mention imagine for a second what would happen without the damage cap when your in a base battle how those ridiculously high stats would do to your ship after a couple attacks not to mention those planets that have half a legion baby sitting it.

As for the debuff stacking i agree that's kinda ridicules AT MOST you should be able to hit someone with two maybe 3 of the same type of artifact it would still give those lower rank guys a chance to counter attack in reason to a larger ship but still would give the higher ship a advantage still as it should be.

As for the being able to repair in the middle of a fight you talking nano bots or repairing in another tab cuz as far as i see it using another tab to repair is borderline cheating, using a nano not so much that's more or less as fair as using buffs on your ship.

But you also forgot another thing that needs reworking the cloak vs. scan system on both planet detection and BT detection, I know there's some randomization of odds there but there's no way a ship with around 200-300 scan should be able to pick up something with more then 2,000 cloak.