the exact percentages doesnt matter (going up in 1,5, or 10% works either way).. a cap at a legion (OPTIONAL for those who didn't see it the first time) tax of 50% would also be just as useful and stop greedy legions gobbling up all a members hard earned/ill gotten gains

Dan it seems that this idea has merit, a couple have argued against it. Can we see something implemented please, hopefully after the galactic market kills the trade groups off

Thanks

This is seriously still going?

To everyone that +1'd the idea of a legion enforced tax, let me ask you one question and I want an honest, unqualified (no buts) answer.

Do you know with ABSOLUTE certainty the "financial" situation and future intent of ALL the other members in your legion EVERY DAY?

If you answer "no" then you need to retract your endorsement of this idea. That answer alone is THE MOST significant reason to never implement an integrated taxing system within legion.

Darth I can answer something for you so sit down and try and wrap your brain around it.

I mentioned it before a legion tax wouldn't be what half of you are thinking. The way you all are talking is like your expecting some rank 3 to be taxed 20 million credits a day, really guys think about it for a moment a 5% tax on a players income is negligible at very best doesn't matter if they are rank 1 or rank 1,000.

Because your income scales with a players rank, this means while a rank 60 might get around 500,000 credits a day (don't quote me on this just a example) that would mean daily from the tax that rank 60 would be taxed only 25,000 credits out of 500,000.

Now if you ask me 25 grand out of 500 grand is a drop in the bucket. In fact it might be even less then a single repair would cost. This scales very well a say someone like me who pulls in 3 billion credits a day at rank 200ish that means the legion tax would only pull out 150 million a day that out of 3 billion.......if you call that a burden then I'm afraid to tell you that your mining production is total garbage.

As always... Dodging the point... We have 60 people in our legion and I am in no way arrogant enough to believe that I know best how much the other 59 people can afford to put into the base funds. No one else should believe they know best either. I can afford to pay my ship upkeep AND our base upkeep. Every day. People will put in what they can, when they can. If a legion can't afford their base upkeep without forcing people to chip in, it means they expanded their base beyond their means. You wouldn't do that to your ship, you shouldn't do it to your base. A major problem is that people are so stuck on increased base payout that they level their base too fast and then they hire "contractors" to build modules that they can't afford. It seems to me that everyone is looking at base upkeep completely backwards. They are seeing upkeep is x per day so we need to have x+1 donated every day, when they SHOULD see y is donated per day so we need to keep the upkeep at y-1 per day.

Me and Darth are like sith and jedi most of the time, but we do agree on certain things, if you can't pay the upkeep, you ain't earned the mods

You really are a pain to deal with darth I can think of many reasons to have a guild tax not all of us have a top 20 legion and we have to deal with leeches the tax would make those leeches pull weight or leave and seeing as your clearly living so high on the hog my friend let me point out as well its not always so clear who is a leech and who isn't we all have members in every legion who arnt very talkative, and you dodged the point to so those in glass houses should not throw stones...

it could be so that leaders set it to a small amount that all members can afford, and gotta agree with some people on this, not everyone is a rich top 50 legion that can support a base with only a few contributors. and small percentage like 1 or 2% wouldn't even be that much. and I'm guessing that if this were to be used it would be an optional thing for a legion so if you don't want to do this for your legion don't, but let the people who want to do it do it.

THANK YOU VARUN!! At last someone gets what I've been trying to say darth know it all didn't realize that little bit not all of us are blessed with being in a legion with 20 rank 400+ members.

Besides production mods on the base are dirt bloody cheep in terms of upkeep its the defense mods that cost the most.
the production is just a little perk the real reason most lower rank players rush to get the base built up is simple until base lvl 5 the base is a egg wearing a suit of tin foil......even then it still goes down easy when a top ranked legion gets a lock.

I have to agree with Darth here - Say you're making 2B/day, and your upkeep is 1.4B. You can afford to pay, say a 10% tax. then, you decide to upgrade from Heavy Nulls to Light Thetas, increasing your upkeep by 500M. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, because you'd still be making 100M/day surplus. But wait! There's that 10% tax... so you're actually only getting in 1.8B/day, meaning you are LOSING 100M/day.

People's financial situations change day by day. This will not work. There is also the potential for abuse (set an extortionate tax, install commerce bay, take everything and run), which is far greater than most other exploitable aspects of the game.

The only way this could work would be a) take a portion of the mineral tax and put it into the base funds, or b) allow people to set a certain percentage that is taken with mineral tax, or a fixed amount that is automatically paid to the base along with their upkeep each day (eg 2.5B upkeep + 500M daily contribution = 3B taken per day when upkeep is paid).

A guy that high-tails it from the legion and steals all the resources is a JA as you put it so that first bit's wrong.

Yes the tax would make it more yummy, but with the tax in place I imagine people would stop donating to the base.

If your saving up for something I doubt a 5% tax is gonna do much, and if your low on credits than sell some modules and get your mining up, your obviously living beyond your means.

Ok I'll agree with you there the gun companies was a bad comparison.

Alot of legions have the issue of members enjoying the benefits of research or artifact mods but then put nothing into base upkeep.

Getting something for nothing cheats the legion for much needed funding required for better modules.

I would say have the legion tax optional, with leaders able to turn it on or off as needed with a max tax of 20% as part of the "Legion Base Rules" tab. Maybe even add the additional option of the tax automatically turning off at a max base funds of 2 weeks worth of upkeep at whatever your bases upkeep is, and turning back on automatically when upkeep gets paid until it "maxes out" again.

That way larger top 50 legions that can pay all there own upkeep without the tax can turn it off and not use it at all and other legions that really do need all the members to pitch at least a little can set the tax rate as low as 1% and as high as 20%.

Everytime a member sells Minerals, 20% tax applied from the game and another 0% - 20% goes into the base giving to player 60% - 80% of the remaining profits.

That way, everyone is more or less happy, and if members don't like paying the tax....then i guess it becomes a recruitment thread point too, join my legion and only pay "X" tax, or no tax ect.

Adding a legion tax for base upkeep is a bit like forcing your 13 year old kid he's got to kick in money from his paper route to pay for gas in the Minivan that you pimped out with spinners and a sound system.

I have an idea to solve this debate, a tab saying how much everyone's donated credit wise. This allows you to see who donates and who are the leeches.

but who's saying it has to be 10% a small 2% tax would be nothing. and people have fellow legion mates to help them if they need credits.

Credits they would have if there was no tax. Bumming minerals from your legion to pay your ship's upkeep because you now can't afford it due to an automatic deduction for the base just sounds... Silly...

like a lot of people have said on the forum before credit management is part of the game and a small 2% tax wouldn't even be taking that much from members.

So... Why wouldn't credit management apply to bases as well? Everyone expects people to maintain their ship based on their income, how is the legion base any different? And before you or anyone else says "base payout" let me remind you that everyone in a legion benefits from random-member23 even if they don't necessarily contribute credits. They add to your planet defense, they might be the one that craps out 20 elite/boss NPCs every day, they might be the one chucking a half dozen exo-clamps on the base every couple days, they may hand out obscene numbers of artifacts that legionmates need, etc...

You're all acting like someone is automatically a leech if they don't put credits in the base fund every day or two. There are plenty of other ways members contribute to the welfare of a legion. As I said before and nobody acknowledged, no one can know the financial situation and intent of every other member of a legion every day.

quite honestly darth i don't care if someone's a leech or not, as long as they don't cause trouble they can stay. i just think this would be a way to help out smaller legions who can't afford the upkeep with just a few members contributing.