The fact you attempted to shoot down spoony with an ignorant statement like shown above just says it all for me PR guy. Why don't you open your ears and listen?

It's like the kinect for an xbox 360, if you don't have it, will your 360 suck? No.. it won't .. but will it improve games? Heh, yeah, the few gimmicky ones that are genuinely good that come out.

It's a good idea, sure, but currently I'd say it sounds like it needs a lot of thinking out ... and while you're thinking it out ... i think Dan could spend his time better implementing a diplomacy system so i don't accidentily invade that planet i gave spoony.


Just think though PR guy, you could become that evil alliance you loved being again.. you know.. DoO or whatever you jokers called yourselves


Sorry but i have no time for people that shoot down other's comments with ignorant statements when the opposite party has done nothing in said discussion to warrant it. Perhaps you do not understand what a different perspective is. Sorry that you do not understand what free speech is .. and that other people have different ideas and thought processes.


Are you American by any chance? If so, explains a lot for me.

Don't say all of a country have a certain fault, sometimes most can have this, but never all.

Just because you're buddy buddy with Spoony doesn't mean anything that I said wasn't true. I'm wayyyy more willing to listen to what Spoony has to say than anyone else, everyone just ignores him. I try and see the value of what he is saying, but his statements just generally degrade into a monotonous negative drone of what he said multiple times. It was far from ignorance, it was completely derived from experiencing Spoony's comments for quite some time.

I have listened to what Spoony has said, it was heard, I responded, everyone else ignored it and it was done. Then his new sidekick yeeeee boy Joppsta has to come in and place his carbon copy thumbrint on the conversation as if it revealed some great new insight.

You just made the same statement that was made earlier, which once again makes me think you are just here to troll people's suggestions and try to be as negative as possible. There is no need to argue one is better than the other, both the ideas work well together.

You don't get it.....we ALL get that. Statement recieved, opinion heard.

Do not dare talk of free speech and then degrade Americans when free speech is an American concept. Clearly you are not American as is shown by your arrogance and ignorance walking hand in hand.

the one shred of respect i had for Joppsta is now gone. congratulations. another person in america hates you.

Sorry but generally i find that Americans seem to be unable to accept other's opinions on matters and aren't up for debate when it comes to stuff like this. Ignorance is a very American thing.

Don't get me wrong, Americans are great people but some are complete idiots too.


I take an outside view here and see a tit for tat. If it was somebody under another name, would that opinion be negated just because he didn't like it too? There's no need to make discussing a suggestion as personal as he did.. and frankly, i was merely asking his nationality because I have my own opinions formed. Blame your fellow countrymen.

The fact he seems to associate me as a friend of Spoony and lumps me in as "backing up a friend" now just makes this even better.


I still say legion bases are a retarded idea until the whole concept has a true purpose. I will stick by saying it is a gimmick for something we already have. Why do you need a legion base to make a bounty board? There's bloody iPhone games with bounty boards that come with the game. You know, those stereotypical crappy yet addictive ones.

I see no true use for legion bases other than another way for legions to become more powerful than the other and imbalance even more.



I could suggest player bases.. but isn't that essentially what a player's ship is? I can see no advantages to having legion bases in the current climate of the game and to argue that LB's are more useful than diplomacy in the current state of affairs is somethat .. well .. laughable? The fact that you have no straight plan for them is my point. You don't know what you want. I don't know what i want in a legion base. I don't really want one at all if i'm to be honest, the idea itself hasn't even been sold to me.


Diplomacy does what it says on the tin.. and would be easier to implement, thus, this is what should be first on the list. LB are something that COULD work but in all honesty is this EVE online? Naw, i didn't think so... so there's no need for star bases. At least no need until you compile a list of ideas on what could possibly be done on one of these things.


And the whole "where does a ship dock" arguement... Hello, we invade planets?

it sounds like you are the ingorant one here. Over half of the people in the poll has voted for a legion base. obviously you are part of the minority who wants diplomacy. It looks like you are the one who is unable to accept the fact that legion bases are a possible stepping stone into a whole new arena in the game. By closing off this idea as 'retarded' and labling it as a 'gimmic' you are providing no reason why you dislike this idea. if you read the legion base thread there are plenty of suggestions on implimenting new things into the game through the base system.

On a second note, what country are you from that allows you to pass judgement on the most powerful country in the world? Once again YOU are the ignorent one for labeling an entire country as ignorent just because you are upset about someone disagreeing with you.

Also, when you defend anothers point that generally shows you are their friend. If you were neutral you would have said nothing, if you were an enemy you would have bashed the point.

K guys let's not jack this thread anymore (yes I've jacked a few) Here is my vision..... you get hit by someone or find someone in battle tab, you can checkout their legion # of members % active ect. ect .. . then top right button "dock with base" 1 danger= docking will reveal you to the legion making you an available target (like being alerted) upon docking you'll go to the legion chat (you don't see chat history) you can speak to the opposing legion , you being the outsider your text or name when chatting appear in RED, discuss who it who or did what talk about joining their legion , wars , or what have you , and maybe..... if the chat get's out of hand (for legion members)a little "Jettison" button ejecting the visitor off base and back to his ship in which case your legion would most likely annihilate him.


the next stage would be being able to dock, then make payment via minerals for ?????
no trading arti's though.

if the legion bases will have planets of their own, then why not trade artifact points? and if the bases have their own research trees then trade say 500 AP for 500 RP? sounds pretty fair.

yea it would be cool, but something in the back of my mind says somehow some one would manipulate it and take advantage, maybe trading of artiacts that we can currently share from our inventory but nothing more, and definitely no trading of AP or RP though that would allow me to transform my ship ....not fair

+1

Personally, I like the idea of legion bases, but I think the idea is getting a bit confuddled. I can really only see 2 uses for them... Dumping artifacts that take up space in my cargo hold, and possible interaction and trade between multiple legions. Everything else I have seen suggested for these bases seems either completely unnecessary or redundant, and some even borderline ridiculous. Instead of looking for a massive, over-the-top addition, we should be trying to keep things smallish, simple and FOCUSED. Trading AP and RP? Nah, JK already suggested that someone will take advantage somehow and I tend to agree with that. Should they have their own planet(s)? Nope. Each legion member should donate a portion of their own MP, AP, and RP to support and develop the base. Call it a tithe or whatever. The base would be "controlled" by a Starbase Commander chosen by the legion (how they choose is up to them) who would determine what improvements to research and how the money (minerals) should be spent. Allow for interlegion trading (not giving) of minerals and SENDABLE artifacts (but NOT points) and even throw in the whole bounty hunting idea (but that needs developed before its added).

If we want the legion base implemented, Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS) or you can kiss the idea goodbye.

I agree with Darth Flagitious. The legion base is a great idea but in the beginning we need to keep it simple. Keeping it to just trade, diplomacy and bounty hunters for now gives it a great bit of function but still gives it room to grow later. I like the idea of it having its own research ability to add its own tech levels, but I don't think it needs its own planets. The legion should supply that. Research should be in forms of scientists working on the base that are obtained by first how many are in the legion and active, then others can be purchased later in so way, perhaps by a credits cost the station gains through trade. But in the beginning it needs to be kept simple and allowed to grow more complex over time.

It was, and never is up to us to decide how much needs to be implemented and over what time frame. These decisions aren't ours to make, so theres no point in even going there. The whole point of the thread is to come up with suggestions and evolve them. Saying something is too much or too complicated is silly. The whole point of the forum is to have ideas and expand upon them.

EDIT: I forgot to point out the hypocrisy in the ignorance in the bold statement after the spiel about how ignorant i am


lol @ most powerful country in the world speech

I cannot argue a point against those who refuse to see my point. I am saying diplomacy makes more sense short term and has less.. well.. thinking required therefore should be prioritised instead of clogging up the arteries with this legion base crap. Someday, maybe, but frankly as it stands i think it's retarded for a couple reasons.. namely being there's no real need for them in my opinion.

It seems like a gimmick to me because it's full of random features so far as i can depict. It's like kids having an arguement over a plastic army men fight.. "Oh no.. but he comes back to life and takes your guy out with a thermonuclear missile fired from between his ass cheeks"

See my point now?


If this legion base nonsense gets good ideas, sure I'll support but for now... a place to dock and get news? Well, so far as i can tell all that really needs to be done is add a few more tabs to the already simple system .. or sub tabs.

The only role i could see a legion base playing is as a static structure which can reposition over a legion owned planet every day and act as a defense. Or perhaps have options for PVP/PVE specific legions.. ie the base provides a bonus in attack/defense/scanning etc depending on how it is chosen to be pimped out.


That's about the only good thing i could think of. You need to select a speciality for the legion base and that reflects what your legion does. Of course, you can change the speciality but you only get that opportunity when the base has been in the current speciality for X amount of days.



It's not that I'm completely against the idea (to be fair, I've forgotten most of what I've debated.. I'm somewhat busy with life at the moment) but i just don't see how it's really all that necessary. It's not a necessity. Diplomacy is. In an MMO like GL diplo is a no brainer...

It's a game, arguing what is a necessity is already in illogical argument. It's played for entertainment. Bottom line, everyone likes the idea, the developers like the idea. The points you are still arguing make me question why your even playing the game, the whole analogy of your homo-erotic toy soldiers, no I don't get it. I don't see how you can look at it that way about a concept that isn't that foreign to whats currently in the game and then continue playing the game....what you just described happens everyday on an individual basis between peoples ships.

Maybe you don't enjoy this game and you haven't realized it yet.

I laughed and I laughed and then I laughed some more. Then I got all serious. But only for a brief moment and then I laughed some more. What are they feeding you (and your brains) over there ? You should really pay more attention to your "american" classes and less to the "supremacy" classes. Yeah I know it isn't really nice to further rub it in but stuff like this needs pointing out. Then laughed at. I'm not even trolling. I'm just bedazzled on how xxxxxed up some people can get given enough ego inflation over enough period of time. America, xxxx yeah !

You clearly cannot read ... at all. I give up attempting to explain my point.

I got a few choice words which explain your personality quite well.

So, it's gotta be said, saying things like "Are you American by any chance? If so, explains a lot for me" does not make you sound any better.

Now back to the actual topic. I can't decide which idea I like best, but I do think legion bases should come before Legion wars, partly because I think they would be a great part of the war. If Legions went to war they could see each others base, each Legion would need to guard it like a planet and then they get points or something for disabling the other Legion's base to decide who wins the war, and then they can get mineral or artifact points or complex tech parts or exotic matter or political favor (or something new).

EDIT: And having a research tree that the whole Legion contributes to and letting them build new weapons and armor and stuff for it could be cool, or they could make it like a planet but only have attack/defense/population structures available for it.

2nd EDIT: It's tough to choose one though just because I always like more modules, and the NPC planets would mean they'd add more planets, which is also always nice.

why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends....

i think they can all be incorporated together. legion bases with their own tech trees and diplomacy options can go to war against other players and be attacked by special NPC fleets to drop special modules. These new fleets can controll their own planets instead of bases. These planets can be captured, and will have special passive effects, or have special buildings built on em.