yes, i do think others are too lazy ... otherwise they wouldn't keep bringing up suggestions that are COMPLETELY OPPOSITE to the dev's stated intentions.

the damage cap was nerfed three times in the first 14 months of the game and has not been changed in the subsequent 39 months. the excerpts that i have included show that this feature is working as he intended at the time of the change.

here, let me show you how the OP should have made his argument, using the dev's previous decisions for support:



for my ship, this would more than double my damage cap from 404 to 1141. Peticks' damage cap would move from 315 to 780. Golgotha would go from 1025 to 2431. icarium's would stay at 3597 instead of the 1842 from factor 3. so SSB's would be nerfed ... but so would the massive helmsmen armies. this will have little to no effect on low ranks where PvP is still generally healthy.

see how easy that was ?

senatorhug,

let the data speak, everybody can check on their own:
http://www.appdata.com/apps/facebook/12 ... axy-legion
http://www.appmtr.com/facebook/app/1273 ... xy-legion/

in some words: viewtopic.php?p=420038#p420038
People do not quit a game, which is good and balanced ..other way said, keep posting and protecting the status-quo, I already wrote back at the beginning:

viewtopic.php?p=419574#p419574

-1 nuuuu even though I'm not a huge huge fan of SSB myself.... I can not condone the changing of the laws of physics cap'n!!!

You do know that, except for the flavor of the day twitch/spam game, FB games are on a general decline, right? This is old news (2012 at least), so is it any surprise that GL's DAU and MAU have dropped over time?

well, CA is not under Zynga, Zynga had several games with fluctuation, there were forecast, that Zynga will out from market, yet still on market with very solid market share - GL is nothing compared to these listed (considering number of players). Again, I do not see the point to use 05/2012 article about one group of FB games for debate in 07/2014 for totally different game GL. Also shorty I mention, that it is some time, since I and several others suggested to open GL also to non-FB users (mobile app, google+, twitter or whatever).

It seems to me there needs to be some sort of diminishing returns, somewhere. But rather than getting shot at as soon as I open my mouth, I am not going to propose a way to do that and instead let someone else figure it out.

--this has been argued to death a million times over.

--problem is not ssb, it is any ship with hull > damage cap with a decent ratio, ssb just hit it earlier.

--read the million suggestions that solve the problem without screwing damage caps.
--- need interactive pvp, not just faster kills, or just devaluing all current ships.

-- screw with damage caps, destroy base/npc health system, not a small change.

-- give large ship builds advantages due to size, not take away the advantages of small ships.

Sigh.

3Davideo, thats a better way of thinking that just "smash damage caps with a hammer". Currently, rank weakens the effects of hull, but ironically this acts as a demotivator to gameplay. I have a voice in my head every time that I level that tells me I am a little closer to taking more damage, forever. It really prevents me from activly playing/leveling.

Heck, you could even just do something like durt brackets give 1 less hull after 100k base hull, 2 less after 200k, etc. High arti ships keep getting stronger, but not -quite- as fast.

Does not solve problem, but will slow the exacerbation of the problem.

Seriously though, there have been multiple good suggestions to deal with the problem that add interactivity to the game, instead of reducing ship strength. Suggestions should start there and improve, not cut away content.

I agree, yet till the suggestions will be ignored like no time to implement new formulas etc, then the focus will remain on damage cap incl. damage cap vs critical hits (also dozen-times discussed).
No change = final outcome can be easily foreseen.

Ok, how about this: So the idea is that smaller ships are harder to target. So why don't we make weapons specialized in targeting small, fast targets? Say, a Point Defense Turret that instead of increasing attack, increases the damage cap of the target by X. Maybe players only, maybe both npcs and players. It would be most effective on targets that have small damage caps (a fixed number would then represent a larger percent increase) and on targets that one hits near their damage cap (wouldn't it be great to get 20 points more damage on every hit?).

Or maybe some sort of Reflection Field: X% of all damage done to you is dealt to your opponent. I don't know, get creative!

And that's where attack comes into play... Total Attack = Amount of Damage you can do AND your Ability To Attack/Target the ship. this takes into account your ships targeting ability, the higher the attack the more advanced, superior your targeting systems and the easier it is to target those pesky little ships.

So...

Attack = Targeting & Damage
Defense = Dodge & Damage Reduction (thrusters and dampeners)..

These things are Already accounted for without adding in limitations based on 'deck size'.

Damage cap based on deck size instead of weapon(s) used is backwards and illogical, take this scenario for example:

Guy with a RPG, shoots small boat with RPG, boat is obliterated and in pieces.
Guy with exact same RPG shoots Air Craft Carrier, Causes some damage, carrier launches retaliation, guy with RPG = dead...

That is LOGICAL.. what we currently have is the exact Opposite, illogical and backwards...

What the SSB's are saying is that because their Ship is smaller the sameweapon should do less damage to it than it should a bigger ship..

Actually what they say is that they are speedier, more nimbler and harder to aim at, therefore would be harder to hit, no matter how big the weapon. Using your RPG example- Try hitting a fly that is in rapid flight with an RPG or try and hit an elephant/ large sloth... I think you will agree one would be much harder to hit. Given as how their isn't a mechanism for 'Missed Hits' in Galaxy Legion combat, then capped damage is the only way to show this effect.

And that is without me even touching the Density of Durtanium Bracket Spread (DDBS for short) issue...

And that is already accounted for in Attack (Attack = Amount of Damage done & Ability to HIT the ship, Targeting computers etc, the higher the attack, the more accurate and easier to hit the little ships)

Your right, in a perfect system we would have 2 stats, Attack and Damage, here the are combined into 1, Attack. But at the same time Defense accounts for damage reduction (dampener modules) and Dodge (Thrusters). Dodge makes a ship harder to hit. These things are already accounted for without Limiting the Damage a weapon can do based upon its targets size.

IF anything a small, very small % percent bonus to defense could be added to ships based on their size, either way, putting a cap damage done based on size is backwards, you have to admit that.

Only it isn't accounted for is it. Under no definition of Attack in Galaxy Legion can I find a claim that it increases your ability to hit an opponent. No, no, no... the higher the attack simply the more power put out by the guns, nothing about accuracy in there (unless you want Dan to introduce a new set of ship parameters that increases your ships ability to target/avoid being targeted.

I dont particularly view it as backwards... different yes, interesting yes, backwards no. There are so many ways you can explain the SSB (non-) issue that most of the arguments just come across as "I don't like this ship set up, it should be removed"

I would love it if he did. Actually, it kinda sounds like scan and cloak should do. But yeah.

And guess what would happen. People would be SSB and pump points into the avoidance stat, that way you would struggle to hit them and when you did hit them, you would hit for a low amount...

I can see why Darth Flag gets pissed with people not thinking their ideas through now...

Eh, years and years of gaming got the better of me there, no your correct it does not 'specifically' say that, So, have me there. But it would be safe to assume that since Officers dont actually make a cannon stronger, they are responsible for the targeting aspect of the Attack Stat. So basically every attack hits. But, the argument that smaller ships should take less damage from the exact same gun that a larger ship would take more damage from? absurd.

The biggest argument for SSB is that, its smaller, harder to hit because it can dodge better, but.. Dodge/Maneuvering IS accounted for in the defense Stat, thrusters, so saying that a smaller ship is harder to hit because it can dodge easier, is ALREADY included in the defense stat. Thus Damage should be Attack vs Defense, period, ship size not accounted for.. if ANYTHING smaller ships should take More damage per hit

Backwards yes, Different? not in a good way, Interesting? for the love of deep space no, Annoying? yes, when you hit a cocky loud mouth arrogant s.o.b. that is 800 ranks lower than you, and you hit them for 300 damage when your attack is more than 10x their defense? and you should blow their ship into little tiny debris floating in space in one shot, yes. I mean at that point, whats the use of increasing your attack, to do more damage, when its going to be limited by the size of someone elses ship... Is it one of the reasons that new Gamers coming to the game quit? I have no doubt about that. Is it the reason I despise and normally avoid pvp here if I can? yes.. and sadly, i've loved pvp in other games...

To sum up my mini ramble about Durtanium Density- Put thick layer of stuff between your delicate bits and big bang bang = much harder to damage those delicate bits and longer to wear through the thick layer

Brackets add to Hull, Hull does not reduce damage but reflects how much damage a ship can take before it is obliterated, and we have a stat called Hull. That does not reflect any limitations on how much damage my cannons can do, just how many shots or damage from my cannons tha tyour ship can take, period, Regardless of size of the ship.

The thicker the hull.. the more work you need to do to do any real damage. Kinda missed the point of my post but oh well.

And I think you might have missed mine. We have a stat called hull, tells us how much hull the ship has (Density included). Cannons do X amount of damage to a hull, that is reduced from the Total Hull, kind of the same as hit points in an MMO. Not how much damage my ships weapons can do per hit.