I see no land.
LAND AHOY!
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| Author: | spyder [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
When ice thaws, the liquid actually takes up a smaller volume than the solid, not the other way around. Why then does the mass surface melter make a planet BIGGER when it should in fact be smaller? |
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| Author: | thunderbolta [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
Because a terraformer to make a planet smaller would suck. |
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| Author: | Annabell [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
Because the water takes up less volume, revealing more of the land that was previously beneath the ice. |
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| Author: | Revis [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
because dan said so |
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| Author: | spyder [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
It'd make more sense as a mass surface FREEZER, which turned a oceanic into an icy. |
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| Author: | thunderbolta [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
spyder wrote: It'd make more sense as a mass surface FREEZER, which turned a oceanic into an icy. Quote: When bombarded with high gamma energy, pawlacite can radiate an intense amount of heat, hotter than warp plasma. FREEZE! FREEZE WITH MY INTENSE HEAT RAYS! |
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| Author: | Lone.Lycan [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
(*sarcastically, in case you can't tell*) it makes sense just like a phasic chain ionizer allows you to place population on a gas planet after ionizing the entire atmosphere i'm still lost on the logic behind that one |
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| Author: | Remric [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
spyder wrote: When ice thaws, the liquid actually takes up a smaller volume than the solid, not the other way around. Why then does the mass surface melter make a planet BIGGER when it should in fact be smaller? since when did heating something make it smaller. Solid molecules are closely together Liquid molecules are far apart Gas Molecules become way far apart Heating expands objects. While cooling them down will contract/compress molecules. |
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| Author: | spyder [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
But with water, when it's frozen, the molecules line up in such a way that they take up MORE space than when it was a liquid. Don't believe me? completely fill to the brim a bottle with water, screw the lid on, and put it in the freezer. The bottle will burst because the ice takes up more space than the water. |
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| Author: | Lone.Lycan [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
spyder wrote: But with water, when it's frozen, the molecules line up in such a way that they take up MORE space than when it was a liquid. Don't believe me? completely fill to the brim a bottle with water, screw the lid on, and put it in the freezer. The bottle will burst because the ice takes up more space than the water. but aye, ice is less dense than water, which is why it floats at the top of your drinks... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water) Someone on wikipedia wrote: The maximum density of water occurs at 3.98 °C (39.16 °F). It has the anomalous property of becoming less dense, not more, when it is cooled down to its solid form, ice. It expands to occupy 9% greater volume in this solid state, which accounts for the fact of ice floating on liquid water. |
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| Author: | Remric [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
i know what you are saying. its like putting a can of coke in the freezer and the can will break when the soda freezes. I believe this is not because the liquid is the one expanding rather the container is contracting to the point of cracking. Dan's logic here is correct. solid when heated expands. |
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| Author: | thunderbolta [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
Spyder is right. Ice is bigger than water... somehow. |
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| Author: | spyder [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
You know ice takes up more space than water because even though they're the same thing, ice has a lower density than water. With almost all other substances, the solid form is more dense. |
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| Author: | Annabell [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
Annabell wrote: Because the water takes up less volume, revealing more of the land that was previously beneath the ice. ^ ^ ^ *Ahem* ^ ^ ^ |
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| Author: | thunderbolta [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
I see no land. LAND AHOY! |
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| Author: | Annabell [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
Okay, then how 'bout this solution, nobody said the ice was water. Methane can become ice, as can many other liquids, so the oceanic aren't necessarily filled with water. |
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| Author: | TheSpartan [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
Annabell wrote: Okay, then how 'bout this solution, nobody said the ice was water. Methane can become ice, as can many other liquids, so the oceanic aren't necessarily filled with water. come of the octafari chains artifacts have "hydro" in the name; hydroshifter for example.....just found out that hydro isn't water, it means water-LIKE, so I can just imagine the oceanics being filled with liquid methane lol in witch case YES, they would expand when melted, would it expand TWO sizes? I doubt it but whatever...haha |
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| Author: | detregets [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
maybe it also teleports in matter from an extra dimensional space ? |
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| Author: | thunderbolta [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
detregets wrote: maybe it also teleports in matter from an extra dimensional space ? We're talking about the mass surface melter here. |
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| Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Logic Problem with mass surface melter |
IT'S A GAME!!!! IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE!!!! SHEESH!! 
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