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Darth Flagitious wrote:

The problem started when the rank 24 alerted a rank 26 for a badge hit instead of making the kill himself. That's just being a candy-ass. After that, its justpeople standing up for their legion-mates. Its not bullying, its a legion tactic. "If you don't want super huge ships stomping mudholes up your backside, don't touch our low-ranks."

lisa68m wrote:

My baby legion has pacifists that don't fight. If an upper rank player attacks them, they pick a champion to retaliate for them. It is a ONE for ONE fight... one disable for one disable only. I did have to tell a pacifist that the "HIGHER" rank should be at least ten higher than they are! I think if someone is just out for badges that they should leave a post saying exactly that... I don't even retaliate higher players that att me IF they are only after a badge and SAY SO.

But on the other hand, if I attacked someone, I would expect to be disabled or whatever I did to them. If not by them, by ONE of their legion mates. If I retaliate for a low rank player and the original attacker alerts his WHOLE region... that is the whiner! ONE against 40 is not the same as ONE against a HIGH rank or even a higher rank against a lower! And, by all means, I think a player 100 ranks higher continually disabling a player because they defended one of their own.. is dishonorable. But so some are. Everyone can play as they choose. I do find it funny all the same. I am Skydaiz of Federation X. We want honor and exploration.
Good luck with your poll. I couldn't choose ONE answer LOL

Darth Flagitious wrote:

Ok, well here's the problem. Granted, your legion=your rules, BUT....

When you alert someone for that "champion" EVERYBODY in your legion sees that alert and CAN hit the person being alerted. Pacifist or not, when you alert someone only 2 ranks above you (for a badge hit, no less) and someone 3x that rank answers the call, THAT is showing dishonor on a legion-wide scale.

And FYI, if someone up to 1.66x your rank disables you, raids you and possibly even hacks you only 1 time each, that's called a badge hit and they really shouldn't have to waste 5 energy telling you the obvious....

wyatt.smith.cork wrote:

If proper diplomacy is used many of these situations can be avoided. 9 times out of 10 these things start from a genuine error from an inexperienced player. We try to leave comm messages when we badge hunt, not to be polite, but so we can see who we have disabled recently. This avoids many conflicts.

Darth Flagitious wrote:

And FYI, if someone up to 1.66x your rank disables you, raids you and possibly even hacks you only 1 time each, that's called a badge hit and they really shouldn't have to waste 5 energy telling you the obvious....

wyatt.smith.cork wrote:

Real bullying is when a legion pounds and harasses a smaller player continuously over some minor infringement. When a player is prevented from enjoying the game for a couple of days and has to put up with lots of abuse, that is bullying.

Darth Flagitious wrote:

lisa68m wrote:

Well, WHEN we ALERT.. we TYPE with our keyboard and spelling out someone's name...it's not too complicated.. and with only 4 active members.. WE never have such a problem nor dishonest or dishonorable or ignorant (who can't read) members who would Attack someone else when they were not CALLED by name to do so. Don't you get to put the ALERT with a MESSAGE? I am not sure why you were addressing me... I didn't have a "problem". I was answering the writer's post for opinions. How long has GL been "badging"?
Seems to me, attacking happened BEFORE badging.. and some do it to level up..once or more than once. I said TEN ranks... and you are right. It is our legion. Perhaps we are capable of playing differently.

Darth Flagitious wrote:

lisa68m wrote:

My apologies for confusing you with the OPer.

Author:	alisonnpaul [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:	bullying
ok so this is my theory should it not be possible to stop someone disabling the same player say more than 3 times a day, although we do have a limit in place i am experiencing a disagreement between another legion and myself It all starts with a level 24 being attacked and disabled by a level 26 that's fair you say, level 24 then says a tooth for a tooth and tells a legion member to take him down just the once to show our superiority they used a level 72 a bit brutal but didn't want to waste any energy. In return the initial level 26 tells his legion he was attacked by a level 72 they come to his aid as any legion should and wipe out level 72 with a rank 300 this is fair but then he sends each player in his legion to wipe level 72 out again one at a time. a little excessive but agreeable in frustration level 72 then wipes out one of their easy players in return they wipe level 72 out again using level 300 again and again and again this continues to over 20 times level 72 gets really infuriated at this and decides to start taking them all down one by one. however level 300 wipes out level 72 continually and won't let him back on

Author:	Darth Flagitious [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
The problem started when the rank 24 alerted a rank 26 for a badge hit instead of making the kill himself. That's just being a candy-ass. After that, its justpeople standing up for their legion-mates. Its not bullying, its a legion tactic. "If you don't want super huge ships stomping mudholes up your backside, don't touch our low-ranks."

Author:	Astral [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
Darth Flagitious wrote: The problem started when the rank 24 alerted a rank 26 for a badge hit instead of making the kill himself. That's just being a candy-ass. After that, its justpeople standing up for their legion-mates. Its not bullying, its a legion tactic. "If you don't want super huge ships stomping mudholes up your backside, don't touch our low-ranks." I agree. If that rank 26 only attacked once (especially if he comm'd "badge"), the rank 24 should try retaliation himself. If he couldn't, then let it go. Find softer target to stomp. The first bully in this case is the rank 72, who stomped on a rank 26 and when the rank 26 alerted his legion, he stomped on that rank 26 again. (Why couldn't you use name instead of rank? ) My rule of attacking BT: never attack ppl from legion with average rank greater than your ship's rank. It will bite you back in the ass. Follow this rule of thumb, you'll be smooth sailing thru the third dom cannon.

Author:	lisa68m [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
My baby legion has pacifists that don't fight. If an upper rank player attacks them, they pick a champion to retaliate for them. It is a ONE for ONE fight... one disable for one disable only. I did have to tell a pacifist that the "HIGHER" rank should be at least ten higher than they are! I think if someone is just out for badges that they should leave a post saying exactly that... I don't even retaliate higher players that att me IF they are only after a badge and SAY SO. But on the other hand, if I attacked someone, I would expect to be disabled or whatever I did to them. If not by them, by ONE of their legion mates. If I retaliate for a low rank player and the original attacker alerts his WHOLE region... that is the whiner! ONE against 40 is not the same as ONE against a HIGH rank or even a higher rank against a lower! And, by all means, I think a player 100 ranks higher continually disabling a player because they defended one of their own.. is dishonorable. But so some are. Everyone can play as they choose. I do find it funny all the same. I am Skydaiz of Federation X. We want honor and exploration. Good luck with your poll. I couldn't choose ONE answer LOL

Author:	Darth Flagitious [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
lisa68m wrote: My baby legion has pacifists that don't fight. If an upper rank player attacks them, they pick a champion to retaliate for them. It is a ONE for ONE fight... one disable for one disable only. I did have to tell a pacifist that the "HIGHER" rank should be at least ten higher than they are! I think if someone is just out for badges that they should leave a post saying exactly that... I don't even retaliate higher players that att me IF they are only after a badge and SAY SO. But on the other hand, if I attacked someone, I would expect to be disabled or whatever I did to them. If not by them, by ONE of their legion mates. If I retaliate for a low rank player and the original attacker alerts his WHOLE region... that is the whiner! ONE against 40 is not the same as ONE against a HIGH rank or even a higher rank against a lower! And, by all means, I think a player 100 ranks higher continually disabling a player because they defended one of their own.. is dishonorable. But so some are. Everyone can play as they choose. I do find it funny all the same. I am Skydaiz of Federation X. We want honor and exploration. Good luck with your poll. I couldn't choose ONE answer LOL Ok, well here's the problem. Granted, your legion=your rules, BUT.... When you alert someone for that "champion" EVERYBODY in your legion sees that alert and CAN hit the person being alerted. Pacifist or not, when you alert someone only 2 ranks above you (for a badge hit, no less) and someone 3x that rank answers the call, THAT is showing dishonor on a legion-wide scale. And FYI, if someone up to 1.66x your rank disables you, raids you and possibly even hacks you only 1 time each, that's called a badge hit and they really shouldn't have to waste 5 energy telling you the obvious....

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Author:	zohano [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
Darth Flagitious wrote: Ok, well here's the problem. Granted, your legion=your rules, BUT.... When you alert someone for that "champion" EVERYBODY in your legion sees that alert and CAN hit the person being alerted. Pacifist or not, when you alert someone only 2 ranks above you (for a badge hit, no less) and someone 3x that rank answers the call, THAT is showing dishonor on a legion-wide scale. And FYI, if someone up to 1.66x your rank disables you, raids you and possibly even hacks you only 1 time each, that's called a badge hit and they really shouldn't have to waste 5 energy telling you the obvious.... i personally agree with you here if i hit someone for a badge then raid but just once then its obviously a badge and i tell you what when saving for dom can mk 3 you dont want to waste 5 nrg at all to post the obvious every 5 is a hit closer to your 512 red badge target for 4 dom cannons i think the one annoying thing i find is the same people over and over again in the battle tab, i try to leave hitting the same person a few days so as not to be seen or thought of as picking on them. but thats just due to me being polite and not a serious player so dont have time to start a huge retalatry war with people as that just gets in my way of enjoying the game

Author:	Uy23e [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
26 badging 24 was perfectly fine 24 alerting 26 for a badge hit is either ignorant (of the game badging system and normal practices) or just dishonorable 72 responding to the alert w/o asking detail(or asked and attacked anyway) is also slightly in the wrong, although that depends on the detail of the msg that came with the alert. It's not "tooth for a tooth" when the first case is more of a fair battle while the latter is... It's like trading a pig for a grain of rice, that's "tooth for a tooth" in ur book? the 300 disabling the 72 is perfectly fine, because this is a true "tooth for a tooth", a "bully" for a "bully" the others also disabling the 72 is a bit over the top, but those within badge range can be excused the 72 retaliation is perfectly fine and at this point it's already a very aggressive relation. So the acts are not exactly wrong. But I would say that 20+ times would be a bit excessive. overall, i think 24 is ranked top in the fault list, unless he is truly ignorant of the rules. Although that's not really a good excuse. Second would be the 72, he should have known the rules, and should have learned of the situation before doing something that can be other-wisely considered bullying. If the target was within badging range, it's a whole other matter, because it won't be a bullying act but a revenege based badging, but 26 is not in range of 72 and the 72 should have known better. Considering what information was provided, that 72 was used to not waste energy, it seems like the full situation is known to the 72 so.... and finally the 300, 20+ is excessive for was it just 2 disables total? and after that is just chaos that I don't wanna sort out. by rules i mean standard practice that most ppl choose to conform to. By no means do you have to follow them, but apparently there are consequences if you don't. As for the suggestion. The answer is no. For example, if you stole a planet, especially a good one. Zeroing you out continuously until you fall out of the msg/alerts is the least of your deserved punishments.

Author:	wyatt.smith.cork [ Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
If proper diplomacy is used many of these situations can be avoided. 9 times out of 10 these things start from a genuine error from an inexperienced player. We try to leave comm messages when we badge hunt, not to be polite, but so we can see who we have disabled recently. This avoids many conflicts. People who alert without talking to the other player first or because they are hit by a similar level player are not bullies but cry babies and should really be fighting their own battles. Some legions encourage this cowardly behavior. In my book, if a player can't get a badge from an attack due to difference in rank then he should not really attacking another player. our members are asked not to alert without discussing it with leadership first. Real bullying is when a legion pounds and harasses a smaller player continuously over some minor infringement. When a player is prevented from enjoying the game for a couple of days and has to put up with lots of abuse, that is bullying.

Author:	Astral [ Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
wyatt.smith.cork wrote: If proper diplomacy is used many of these situations can be avoided. 9 times out of 10 these things start from a genuine error from an inexperienced player. We try to leave comm messages when we badge hunt, not to be polite, but so we can see who we have disabled recently. This avoids many conflicts. Ah. The Age of Chivalry is truly long gone. Darth Flagitious wrote: And FYI, if someone up to 1.66x your rank disables you, raids you and possibly even hacks you only 1 time each, that's called a badge hit and they really shouldn't have to waste 5 energy telling you the obvious.... And using 5 energy is a waste? People with relays so mighty they can regen 1 energy in a minute or less? Even at my rank I regen 1 energy per 67 secs. Call me impractical, call me outdated, call me wasteful. But it feels good that I give up 5 minutes of my time to tell someone I mean them no harm. wyatt.smith.cork wrote: Real bullying is when a legion pounds and harasses a smaller player continuously over some minor infringement. When a player is prevented from enjoying the game for a couple of days and has to put up with lots of abuse, that is bullying. Now let's just face the fact. There are legions out there, many of them, who will pound you to death if you attack them. Bagde, no badge, whatever you do, doesn't matter to them. That's your hurdle. What do you do then? Complaining that your head hurts like hell because you crash yourself into that wall? You can always shrug off, and move along. Grow strong. Take note. Someday, you will get back at them. That's the way a war game works. And I don't buy "pacifist" argument. This is a war game. Learn to attack and defend adequately, you will survive. If you get killed by someone around your rank, your build is weak. Learn and grow stronger. This is a game that awards people who learn from their seniors, more experienced people who know the ins-and-outs of the game. Learn. Learn. Learn. Bullying happens. Even to me, at my rank 250+. I move on, every time.

Author:	Spleenface1997 [ Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:57 am ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
I think the 72 wasi n the wrong, because he doesnt get a badge. If it had benn 26 kills 24 and the 40 kill 26 ONCE AND ONCE ONLy then it would be fair

Author:	Remainder [ Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
The problem with allowing alerts for badge hits is players don't learn how to Pvp. It's an essential part of he game. It also means this sort of stuff happens over something small. In my old legion we had a problem where I was alerted after I responded to a legion laert (before the badge system came out). Everyone who hit me got disabled and raided. It went on for a few days. I was higher rank but more importantly I had a much better ship. I'm generally a pacifist myself and just disabled for badges now but it's pretty dumb to alert someone and attack them if you're not willing to take the consequences. The game allows a way out. Don't attack the level 72 for 2 days. It's cowardly but it's your way out. I've read he other thread and the amusing offer of 14Ku. If a high rank leaves their legion they lose access to the base for a week. it's not worth it for 14Ku. High rank players benefit from upwards of 10k resources a day from their base, often research or artifact. They also make billions a day in mining planet production. You might be able to get a high rank player to help if you can gt a lot of Time Manipulators to give them. I mean like 60 or something. Some players will buy 1 for 150Ku.

Author:	Threadbare [ Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
Don't Alert for Badge Hits. Don't respond to alerts unless you are willing to suffer the consequences of that response. There's no bullying here. There is a massive retaliation, but it would end if the level 72 just waited out the alert. The level 300 can't find the level 72 on their BT.

Author:	alisonnpaul [ Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
Then i guess its the cowards way out, I shall have to go into hiding for 2 days then i thank you all for the criticism and advice this has been quite a good learning curve for me so thank you all greatly. I guess i really must start to mine mineral planets

Author:	lisa68m [ Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
Darth Flagitious wrote: lisa68m wrote: My baby legion has pacifists that don't fight. If an upper rank player attacks them, they pick a champion to retaliate for them. It is a ONE for ONE fight... one disable for one disable only. I did have to tell a pacifist that the "HIGHER" rank should be at least ten higher than they are! I think if someone is just out for badges that they should leave a post saying exactly that... I don't even retaliate higher players that att me IF they are only after a badge and SAY SO. But on the other hand, if I attacked someone, I would expect to be disabled or whatever I did to them. If not by them, by ONE of their legion mates. If I retaliate for a low rank player and the original attacker alerts his WHOLE region... that is the whiner! ONE against 40 is not the same as ONE against a HIGH rank or even a higher rank against a lower! And, by all means, I think a player 100 ranks higher continually disabling a player because they defended one of their own.. is dishonorable. But so some are. Everyone can play as they choose. I do find it funny all the same. I am Skydaiz of Federation X. We want honor and exploration. Good luck with your poll. I couldn't choose ONE answer LOL Ok, well here's the problem. Granted, your legion=your rules, BUT.... When you alert someone for that "champion" EVERYBODY in your legion sees that alert and CAN hit the person being alerted. Pacifist or not, when you alert someone only 2 ranks above you (for a badge hit, no less) and someone 3x that rank answers the call, THAT is showing dishonor on a legion-wide scale. And FYI, if someone up to 1.66x your rank disables you, raids you and possibly even hacks you only 1 time each, that's called a badge hit and they really shouldn't have to waste 5 energy telling you the obvious.... ________________________________ Well, WHEN we ALERT.. we TYPE with our keyboard and spelling out someone's name...it's not too complicated.. and with only 4 active members.. WE never have such a problem nor dishonest or dishonorable or ignorant (who can't read) members who would Attack someone else when they were not CALLED by name to do so. Don't you get to put the ALERT with a MESSAGE? I am not sure why you were addressing me... I didn't have a "problem". I was answering the writer's post for opinions. How long has GL been "badging"? Seems to me, attacking happened BEFORE badging.. and some do it to level up..once or more than once. I said TEN ranks... and you are right. It is our legion. Perhaps we are capable of playing differently.

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Author:	lisa68m [ Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
It may BE a battling game but everyone doesn't play for that reason. Some like missions and getting planets. Just being unique. I am NOT on the same legion as the writer. The game is complex enough so many different personalities can enjoy it. So if you read this.. AND do NOT want to fight... Join us. I am of Federation X. Almost no active members...base level 3...we cooperate and share. You can go on vacation without getting thrown out of the legion. We play to enjoy playing the game. Be well. Enjoy our differences. Would be boring without them.

Author:	Darth Flagitious [ Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
lisa68m wrote: Well, WHEN we ALERT.. we TYPE with our keyboard and spelling out someone's name...it's not too complicated.. and with only 4 active members.. WE never have such a problem nor dishonest or dishonorable or ignorant (who can't read) members who would Attack someone else when they were not CALLED by name to do so. Don't you get to put the ALERT with a MESSAGE? I am not sure why you were addressing me... I didn't have a "problem". I was answering the writer's post for opinions. How long has GL been "badging"? Seems to me, attacking happened BEFORE badging.. and some do it to level up..once or more than once. I said TEN ranks... and you are right. It is our legion. Perhaps we are capable of playing differently. My apologies for confusing you with the OPer.

Author:	lisa68m [ Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: bullying
Darth Flagitious wrote: lisa68m wrote: Well, WHEN we ALERT.. we TYPE with our keyboard and spelling out someone's name...it's not too complicated.. and with only 4 active members.. WE never have such a problem nor dishonest or dishonorable or ignorant (who can't read) members who would Attack someone else when they were not CALLED by name to do so. Don't you get to put the ALERT with a MESSAGE? I am not sure why you were addressing me... I didn't have a "problem". I was answering the writer's post for opinions. How long has GL been "badging"? Seems to me, attacking happened BEFORE badging.. and some do it to level up..once or more than once. I said TEN ranks... and you are right. It is our legion. Perhaps we are capable of playing differently. My apologies for confusing you with the OPer. Very polite of you. All good here. Thank you for understanding. Sorry if I got defensive... I am mother of my legion lol ( actually, my MOM is the pacifist.. if you wanna LOL ) She is the one I had to explain to that ONE attack by someone near your rank is NOT bullying. At the time, they were just trying to rank up. Have a great week.. good luck out there.