Lone.Lycan wrote: base level (and thus the potential strength of that base) does not equate to a particular capability of that legion to take down bases their base level
plus... are there even 4 level 7 bases yet in game? would each of those legions be fighting each of the other 3 legions day after day after day?
Yes, they would.
Top 10 legions, can have 60 people in each. That's roughly 600 players, last I read something around 15,000 active players in the game.
So you are talking about 4% of the player base... Rank 2, 3, and rank 4 bases are "picking" on rank 1 bases. Rank 3, 4, & 5 are "picking" on rank 2 bases and so on.
The game is bigger than "the top 10" people need to consider consequences across the entire game not just for 4% of the player population.
A top 5 legion can take down my legions rank 5 base with best tech in about 5 minutes, with all our buffs up and using all our points to repair.
The difference in power between legions NOT bases THAT is problem.
NO system can be made that will function for bases equally.
Right now the ONLY reason why this idea wouldn't work is because the top 10 ARE the top 10 and have so many powerful ships.
With all of the power in the entire game resting within a dozen legions NO other legion even if they were given a rank 7 base could withstand an attack.
Vekno wrote: arnt modules already limited by base rank? for example, i was helping out another legion, and they had a level 3 base. i went to go build some syncopated plating, obviation grids, entropy fields, and quasi blasters on their base, but i couldnt. it said they were restricted to level 5 i think. so, it actually does restrict the modules equippable.
The reason why I put Step 1 as Step 1 is because of Step 2. If each rank of bases are limited to the same weapons, hull and shields it would balance the combat out. Making how you equip your base and how many silvers you invest in your base more important than having a rank 800 friend who can just give you better tech than everyone else.
Uy23e wrote: I'm against this in general, but for argument's sake, I think the OP is badly thought out and here would be a better alternative. Although I'm still not liking the idea as a whole anyway.
If # 1 is enacted with a bit more "heavy" of a limit than there is now(make current limit 2 into limit 3, current limit 3+ into 4/5 etc) such that all bases are weaker (and perhaps ALSO a bump in price), only then is it even feasible to think about proposal #2, otherwise we will hardly ever see base disables(unless a bunch of ubers make an alt legion for silver badge farming only = =;)
Frankly, the current limit scale isn't really "perfect" IMO. the top possible weapon limit is what? rank 4 or 5 base? It would have more sense to make it 7, especially there are base lvls after 7
Now, this would make every base other than 7s weaker, but if #2 is enacted, then you won't worry much about bigger legion beating on you so the two fit well together--you are weaker but so are the attackers.
This is exactly why I wrote Step 1 as Step 1.
Uy23e wrote: HOWEVER, as Lone said, there are very limited # of high legion base in the game. The reason a -2 range is given is similar to a big -60% BT limit is given: otherwise the top ranked would be at a lack of target.
With that said, here is my alternative proposal:
Each base can only see bases of same or higher ranks(in term of scan, same rank have a higher chance, or can guarantee a slot or something, the higher the rank the more unlikely. for example a lvl 4 scan, for each scan result, will have 70% chance of lv 4, 20% of lvl 5, 9% of lv 6, 0.9% of lv 7 and 0.1% of lv 8, if there is no lv 8, its chance goes to 7, if there is no 7 then 7&8 go to 6 etc)
Under the condition that "same or higher rank" bases is below a certain number, then you can see bases of 1 lvl below as well.
If that's still not enough, then it can see 2 lvls below. (this might happen at the time when the first lv8 comes into being~)
"a certain number" can be 10 or 20 IMO.
Your modification to my idea is to change fighting a base your rank from 100% to 70% and giving legions a chance to fight bases stronger than they are. Why would anyone want to lock on to a more difficult target? Your idea would make more sense if it was 70% your own rank, 20% for one rank lower, 10% for two ranks lower, but even then people would just burn a few extra reds to get the advantage of hitting a base one or two ranks lower than their own.
Uy23e wrote: In this way, it should give a sufficient target pool to all. It won't punish the fast rankers while creating a more "fair" battle field.
I don't see how it would give a sufficient target pool to those in question, the rank 6-7 bases, as if you give them a 20% chance to target a base higher in rank... they won't find anyone else.
And if you did make a system that would invert the % after not finding a higher ranking base it would just mean that once again they have a 20% chance to hit bases lower than they are.
As I see it and correct me if I'm wrong, your modification is to change my idea from only hitting bases your own rank to having a 20% chance to hit a base higher or lower than your rank.
If thats the case I don't like it because people with reds to burn will just find that 20% of bases that are weaker to take down for less energy.
On a side note I would like to go on to say that just because an idea isn't three pages long does not mean it is not thought out. An idea posted on this forum is ment to give Dan pause to think about what the players want, to spark change. It's up to Dan to fill in the rest, if Dan wants to pay me to write rule and mechanical changes to the game I would be more than willing to write out a three page detailed plan of action lol. Don't bash an idea just because the author of the idea wanted to keep it short and simple.
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