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Author: | detregets [ Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | unclaimed shipments |
in the past couple weeks we have had new players join our legion and go inactive many were between ranks 25 and 180 it pains me to think about all those unclaimed base shipments would it be possible to incorporate an unclaimed base shipment into the next shipment ? i mean , the resources ARE being generated, and if no one claimed it , someone should , or it would be added into the next round of shipments |
Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
Or changed into credits at some particular ratio that get dumped back into the base coffers for upkeep and such. |
Author: | spyder [ Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
OR used appropriately, eg: Unclaimed RP = Free CT lab attempts Unclaimed MP = credits Unclaimed AP = Artifacts (random "pull", divided between active members, based on division rules) |
Author: | Uy23e [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16958 that was pretty recent... dan isn't very clear on the description on what "today" means. But wastage seems unlikely to me |
Author: | Remric [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
If the players are inactive then the game does not benifit from their contribution. It does not contribute to active players stats of the game. Why should the game reward people who are not playing. |
Author: | Wolfy Minion [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
Remric wrote: If the players are inactive then the game does not benifit from their contribution. It does not contribute to active players stats of the game. Why should the game reward people who are not playing. He is not talking about when they are inactive. He is talking about the time before they go inactive, so for instance if I don't claim my shipment for a day, because I am busy or just not around and he wants my share to be redistributed the next day in addition the production from that day. My issue with this is the use of multis taking advantage of it. Each day the production distributed will be larger due to the fact they are not claiming any. Say you have a level 5 base produce 25k for 50 members and I don't claim. The next day I get 25.5k and don't claim and it keeps growing and eventually you are making more than a level 6 or 7 base. You can prevent it if you don't allow the extra production to be rolled over with the rest or switching to % and having all the production given away. The former seems like it is just preventing a day from going waste and the latter would be unfair if the players are new to the base or can't contribute at all. |
Author: | wolfprince01 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
I had a friend in a legion with only 2 others and it was on even split and claim. Ever so often the 1 person didn't get on to claim there share and he got 50% instead of 33 , the player never went inactive , but it seems that if you don't claim it will be split with everyone the next day. |
Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
wolfprince01 wrote: I had a friend in a legion with only 2 others and it was on even split and claim. Ever so often the 1 person didn't get on to claim there share and he got 50% instead of 33 , the player never went inactive , but it seems that if you don't claim it will be split with everyone the next day. Actually, I suspect that clarifies the equal payout "active today" stipulation. In the circumstance you show, if one person does not log on between shipments, they would not qualify. So the shipment of 100 would be split between 2 people, hence... 50%. |
Author: | detregets [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
so, the unclaimed shipments just go "poof" to limbo ? that sux |
Author: | Wolfy Minion [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
detregets wrote: so, the unclaimed shipments just go "poof" to limbo ? that sux read this, they are just rolled over the next day. wolfprince01 wrote: I had a friend in a legion with only 2 others and it was on even split and claim. Ever so often the 1 person didn't get on to claim there share and he got 50% instead of 33 , the player never went inactive , but it seems that if you don't claim it will be split with everyone the next day. It is as I said before, it just so happens I was explaining how it is not how it should be (bravo Dan for being a step ahead of us all). Another exampleis my base makes a cool 1.5M res, 4 people didn't claim, so even though I should only get 29.6k res I got 31.5k (the unclaimed res was added to the next shipment and distributed among everyone. The extra that was distributed goes "poof" if they don't claim again the next day, but that is just the (unclaimed amount)/(# of members eligible). The normal amount gets recycled again. |
Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
Littlefluffy wrote: detregets wrote: so, the unclaimed shipments just go "poof" to limbo ? that sux read this, they are just rolled over the next day. wolfprince01 wrote: I had a friend in a legion with only 2 others and it was on even split and claim. Ever so often the 1 person didn't get on to claim there share and he got 50% instead of 33 , the player never went inactive , but it seems that if you don't claim it will be split with everyone the next day. It is as I said before, it just so happens I was explaining how it is not how it should be (bravo Dan for being a step ahead of us all). Another exampleis my base makes a cool 1.5M res, 4 people didn't claim, so even though I should only get 29.6k res I got 31.5k (the unclaimed res was added to the next shipment and distributed among everyone. The extra that was distributed goes "poof" if they don't claim again the next day, but that is just the (unclaimed amount)/(# of members eligible). The normal amount gets recycled again. Were any of those people who did not claim "yesterday" eligible to claim "today" or did they get a message saying "you are not eligible for a shipment" or some such? If they were declared ineligible for "today's" shipment, then the "extra" you received is not "yesterday's" rollover, but "today's" disbursement split between all "eligible" members. |
Author: | NikeMikey [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
I've seen this discussion before...it is already known that unclaimed shipments are divided among the other members. |
Author: | Wolfy Minion [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
Darth Flagitious wrote: Littlefluffy wrote: detregets wrote: so, the unclaimed shipments just go "poof" to limbo ? that sux read this, they are just rolled over the next day. wolfprince01 wrote: I had a friend in a legion with only 2 others and it was on even split and claim. Ever so often the 1 person didn't get on to claim there share and he got 50% instead of 33 , the player never went inactive , but it seems that if you don't claim it will be split with everyone the next day. It is as I said before, it just so happens I was explaining how it is not how it should be (bravo Dan for being a step ahead of us all). Another exampleis my base makes a cool 1.5M res, 4 people didn't claim, so even though I should only get 29.6k res I got 31.5k (the unclaimed res was added to the next shipment and distributed among everyone. The extra that was distributed goes "poof" if they don't claim again the next day, but that is just the (unclaimed amount)/(# of members eligible). The normal amount gets recycled again. Were any of those people who did not claim "yesterday" eligible to claim "today" or did they get a message saying "you are not eligible for a shipment" or some such? If they were declared ineligible for "today's" shipment, then the "extra" you received is not "yesterday's" rollover, but "today's" disbursement split between all "eligible" members. Usually they are not on for a couple days at a time and don't talk, but they never claim what you are asking, so I am going to say no. I know my leaders have experienced this on the weekends as well. where one was sick and didn't claim his share so the other 2 got nearly 50% The next day the other leader came on and claimed as though nothing happened. |
Author: | Uy23e [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
the are not eligible if the DO NOT LOG ON you can't possibly attempt to claim and get a message if you DO NOT LOG ON therefore, nobody is ever gonna show proof of that rule making ppl not eligble because it's a paradox.... |
Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
Uy23e wrote: the are not eligible if the DO NOT LOG ON you can't possibly attempt to claim and get a message if you DO NOT LOG ON therefore, nobody is ever gonna show proof of that rule making ppl not eligble because it's a paradox.... No it isn't a paradox. There are 2 different theories on unclaimed shipments. (1) Individual shipments that are not claimed on Day 1 are rolled over into Day 2's payout, increasing the total disbursement above the daily production that would normally be paid out on Day 2 (2) Day 1's unclaimed payout goes poof and anyone not logging on BETWEEN Day 1 payout and Day 2 payout is ineligible for Day 2's disbursement. Therefore, their normal portion is recalculated into the total paid to eligible (logged on between payday1 and payday2) members. |
Author: | Uy23e [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
testing theory 1 would require a one-man legion, simply not recieve shipment for a day and see if it doubles next day testing theory 2 will require not playing GL for a day or 2..... that is pure torture.... and couldn't there be a theory 3? unclaimed shipment in any day would go poof, each "new" shipment size is total divided by # of ppl who were on between the last two shipment. (this means that it is POSSIBLE for the total pay out of a day to exceed the amount of production of the base) For example, 40 ppl legion, day 1 30 ppl active, on day 2 where 35 ppl was active, each of the 35 still recieve 1/30 portion to the amount of 7/6 total. and on day 3, only 20 were on, each reciving 1/35, total of 20/35 was paid out. on day 4 all 40 were on, each reciving 1/20 of total, making total payout 40/20. (if no one is on, it would count as 1 ofc, cause otherwise there would be an infinite sized payment) |
Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: unclaimed shipments |
Uy23e wrote: testing theory 1 would require a one-man legion, simply not recieve shipment for a day and see if it doubles next day testing theory 2 will require not playing GL for a day or 2..... that is pure torture.... and couldn't there be a theory 3? unclaimed shipment in any day would go poof, each "new" shipment size is total divided by # of ppl who were on between the last two shipment. (this means that it is POSSIBLE for the total pay out of a day to exceed the amount of production of the base) For example, 40 ppl legion, day 1 30 ppl active, on day 2 where 35 ppl was active, each of the 35 still recieve 1/30 portion to the amount of 7/6 total. and on day 3, only 20 were on, each reciving 1/35, total of 20/35 was paid out. on day 4 all 40 were on, each reciving 1/20 of total, making total payout 40/20. (if no one is on, it would count as 1 ofc, cause otherwise there would be an infinite sized payment) If I understand this part correctly (which I admit took me 4 or 5 times reading through) you are basing the payout at the "end" of day 4 on the activity on day 3. That is definitely NOT what happens. Assume the base "day" starts at midnight. There is no payment on for Day 1 until midnight the following day (Day 1 -> Day 2) Only people who logged on AFTER midnight1 and BEFORE midnight2 would be eligible for payout AT midnight2. |
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