I give a +1 for customizable leadership roles and a +1 to a penultimate founder/leader type role, along with the ability to specify a successor in the event said founder leaves the game.

I know I brought this up before when a friendly legion was taken over by someone who was there to "upgrade the base", but I think if you founded a legion, you shouldn't be able to be kicked, and you should have final say. Recently, a friend of mine lost his legion when a member was promoted to co-leader, and then demoted and kicked the old leader. He had a level 3 base he spent money on and had built almost himself. These issues could be avoided and legion dynamics changed for the better if a legion founder was a supreme leader, not being able to be demoted, only by themselves, or kicked and maybe having the power to lock things to only founder? Thoughts on this?

rule #1... never promote a 2nd person to leader unless you trust them with your offline life...

+1 if you dont aboslutly trust them dont promote them.

it's more about having another tier or legion positions, where founder could be with the other leaders, or above it based on build, but I do see your point, I agree it was a bad move, but maybe we should change the legion dynamics

what exactly do you think officers are for?

EXACTLY! Officers can do EVERYTHING a Leader can do! NOT! Officers don't have Powers that Leaders do. Plus, I have Officers that I trust with Officer stuff, but would never trust them as Leaders.

+1 TO the Founder Position.

What day-to-day (or even weekly) function can a leader do that officer can't?
The point is, you don't need to have loads of leaders. Officers, with their limited power, functions just fine most of the time. Hard to have things go wrong when the legion only have 1-3 leaders.

Now, I'm not particularrly against a founder position, or even more postition, customized if possible(for example, atm I seriously won't mind if "accept application" was aviliable to everyone, but I would put kicking players on a higher tier, and perhaps some stuff like assigning officers even higher tier etc)

However, that's just because it would be nice and would be a nice addition.

The reasons this thread is basing on: the fear of the orginal leader being kicked and/or the legion disbanded etc by a new "leader" does NOT hold water. IMO, while the player who performed such actions is a bad bad person, the fault mainly falls to the orginal leader who promoted such a "bad bad person" to leader.

So while I'm not agaisnt the suggestion itself much(although "founder" is a rather useless function IMO, I would perfer customizable positions, maybe 4 different sets that you can tinker with urself), I have a strong dislike of people who seek "fixes" on "problems" that was caused by their own (sorry, can't find a fitting non-insulting word, use your imagination) in the first place.

So what if the founder has been gone a long time? Do the current leaders vote on a new founder or is one randomly selected?

I see this as just another way of idiot-proofing the game. Legions have Officers to help deal with the day to day stuff, so multiple Leaders aren't really necessary. If you are that paranoid that someone you promote to leader would usurp control of the legion, don't promote anyone. Simple, problem solved. The only power that Leaders have that Officers don't is promote/demote (and kicking Officers, but that should be a Leader decision anyway).

Any well-organized, well-run should not have any issues with coup d'etats because they would observe members for a time and get to know them before promoting them even to officer. Giving out insta-crowns is just a recipe for disaster and something you won't see good legions do.

I see this as just another way of idiot-proofing the game. Legions have Officers to help deal with the day to day stuff, so multiple Leaders aren't really necessary. If you are that paranoid that someone you promote to leader would usurp control of the legion, don't promote anyone. Simple, problem solved. The only power that Leaders have that Officers don't is promote/demote (and kicking Officers, but that should be a Leader decision anyway).

Any well-organized, well-run should not have any issues with coup d'etats because they would observe members for a time and get to know them before promoting them even to officer. Giving out insta-crowns is just a recipe for disaster and something you won't see good legions do.