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playret0195x
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Alliances are basically like 'legions within legions'. They work and function like legions to. An alliance has up to 10 legions in it that allow for trades between alliance members. Planets shared do not appear for alliance members. Legions can see last minute alert on elites (1 hour left), bosses (4 hours left), and legion bases (2 hours left). Only legion leaders can create or request to join alliances. Alliances will have a space headquarters similar to legion bases with modules that produce 5x more efficiently than the base counterpart. Alliances can also battle other alliances as well.
This idea will add more interest and strategy into the game.
Any thoughts?
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Tree7304
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:05 am Posts: 2794
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You should already have trade pacts. NPC alerts sounds like your legion just wants help with some of the bigger NPCs. Being a high rank helping a lower legion, you knowingly give up all NPC elite support. You should be doing bases with each other if you are an alliance. 10 legions waayyyy too much. Should be 3, maybe 5. Player alerts would be fun though. And a 2nd bigger base? Can we kill that base too I see only a benefit for the little legions on bases. Just sacrifice your trade pacts and add battle pacts. -1
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varunjitsingh146
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:11 am Posts: 5495 Location: Alpha Legion 100
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playret0195x wrote: Alliances are basically like 'legions within legions'. They work and function like legions to. An alliance has up to 10 legions in it that allow for trades between alliance members. Planets shared do not appear for alliance members. Legions can see last minute alert on elites (1 hour left), bosses (4 hours left), and legion bases (2 hours left). Only legion leaders can create or request to join alliances. Alliances will have a space headquarters similar to legion bases with modules that produce 5x more efficiently than the base counterpart. Alliances can also battle other alliances as well.
This idea will add more interest and strategy into the game.
Any thoughts? sounds like DOO to me. that part seems a little OP to me i'd say only 3 legions per alliance. we have battle pacts for that.so a War Mode? overall i like the idea. it could use some tweaking but its not too bad.
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Peticks
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-1 its a bit uncessary If it does happen though it needs to be 5 at least. There are several groups that have more than 3 aliances in them such as the cove legions or the lance group
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playret0195x
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:48 pm Posts: 2251
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Tree7304 wrote: You should already have trade pacts. NPC alerts sounds like your legion just wants help with some of the bigger NPCs. Being a high rank helping a lower legion, you knowingly give up all NPC elite support. You should be doing bases with each other if you are an alliance. 10 legions waayyyy too much. Should be 3, maybe 5. Player alerts would be fun though. And a 2nd bigger base? Can we kill that base too I see only a benefit for the little legions on bases. Just sacrifice your trade pacts and add battle pacts. -1 That is not what i meant by npc sharing Im also aware a pacts, this idea was just to add a little more fun and strategy.
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thunderbolta
Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 11:01 am Posts: 5825 Location: Zolar
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So it's essentially a full-pact, with NPCs thrown in?
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Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:39 pm |
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Hawkeblade
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Or you could Scale it, 1 Legion, 2 make a Alliance, 3 Make a Faction, 4 Federation, 5 Empire. And end it there. No Bonuses no equal sharing just fills one spot as a universal NAP/TRADE/BATTLE pact. And you should get to Give a overall Name for your group. like use the the Cove Legions they can fill all 5 spots and be Called The Cove Empire. or other legion groups like Stormkyn Empire, Chivalry Empire(GP, GD, SSA). Just throwing out names.
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Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:13 am |
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playret0195x
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Hawkeblade wrote: Or you could Scale it, 1 Legion, 2 make a Alliance, 3 Make a Faction, 4 Federation, 5 Empire. And end it there. No Bonuses no equal sharing just fills one spot as a universal NAP/TRADE/BATTLE pact. And you should get to Give a overall Name for your group. like use the the Cove Legions they can fill all 5 spots and be Called The Cove Empire. or other legion groups like Stormkyn Empire, Chivalry Empire(GP, GD, SSA). Just throwing out names. +1 My real intent was to bring legion families closer without isolating them to one another
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Darth Flagitious
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In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power.
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playret0195x
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Darth Flagitious wrote: In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power. With the abuse of power, do you mean the combined strength of all those involved in the alliance will tactically abuse it to make the game less fun for all or one legion dictates the alliance and uses the other legions as a backbone?
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Devastation
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:17 pm Posts: 3632 Location: Gone.
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I've heard of DoO, but I don't know what they're about/what's happened/who they were. Can somebody fill me up?
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Darth Flagitious
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playret0195x wrote: Darth Flagitious wrote: In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power. With the abuse of power, do you mean the combined strength of all those involved in the alliance will tactically abuse it to make the game less fun for all or one legion dictates the alliance and uses the other legions as a backbone? By you asking that particular question, I have to assume you are too "young" to remember the pre-legions DoO. One massive group of players who basically were able to do what they wanted to whomever they wanted. And if you, as an outsider, tried to respond, you had the entire group dogpiling you for as long as they possibly could. This was, of course, before TM restrictions, action counts, and raiding for points. Even with those mechanics as they are now, a massive group could still wreck all kinds of havoc with the game-enjoyment of others.
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playret0195x
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Darth Flagitious wrote: playret0195x wrote: Darth Flagitious wrote: In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power. With the abuse of power, do you mean the combined strength of all those involved in the alliance will tactically abuse it to make the game less fun for all or one legion dictates the alliance and uses the other legions as a backbone? By you asking that particular question, I have to assume you are too "young" to remember the pre-legions DoO. One massive group of players who basically were able to do what they wanted to whomever they wanted. And if you, as an outsider, tried to respond, you had the entire group dogpiling you for as long as they possibly could. This was, of course, before TM restrictions, action counts, and raiding for points. Even with those mechanics as they are now, a massive group could still wreck all kinds of havoc with the game-enjoyment of others. I probably am too 'young' a player to know that. I haven't even played two full years yet.
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Darth Flagitious
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playret0195x wrote: I probably am too 'young' a player to know that. I haven't even played two full years yet. Yep. Two years, two months ago is when official legions started.
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Hawkeblade
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Darth Flagitious wrote: In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power. My only problem with the Triumvate is that it will make everything Stagnent at the top with half of the top 10 Legions currently in the Triumvate gives them a huge advantage over anyone trying to claw their way to the top. IMO if i was a leader of a legion in the Tri i would leave, Its not good for the game for the most powerful legions to group into one alliance.
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Darth Flagitious
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Hawkeblade wrote: Darth Flagitious wrote: In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power. My only problem with the Triumvate is that it will make everything Stagnent at the top with half of the top 10 Legions currently in the Triumvate gives them a huge advantage over anyone trying to claw their way to the top. IMO if i was a leader of a legion in the Tri i would leave, Its not good for the game for the most powerful legions to group into one alliance. Hence my limited support for this idea. Exactly why I used our group as an example of how further inter-legion activity could cross the line.
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Hawkeblade
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Darth Flagitious wrote: Hawkeblade wrote: Darth Flagitious wrote: In a way, I like the idea of a LITTLE more in-game facilitation for inter-legion activities for "empires." BUT... You have to be VERY, VERY careful in how you do it, otherwise we'll end up back where we started. Even within the current legion restrictions, many people (unwarranted I might add) already view The Triumvirate as a second coming of DoO. Too much game sponsored inter-legion cooperation can quite easily become a very bad thing through abuse of power. My only problem with the Triumvate is that it will make everything Stagnent at the top with half of the top 10 Legions currently in the Triumvate gives them a huge advantage over anyone trying to claw their way to the top. IMO if i was a leader of a legion in the Tri i would leave, Its not good for the game for the most powerful legions to group into one alliance. Hence my limited support for this idea. Exactly why I used our group as an example of how further inter-legion activity could cross the line. Well in Tris case your a confederation of alliances, Alliances would be like TU and Revenge TU make the Unknown Alliance with a NAP/Battle/Trade but your individual legion NAPs are different but the Alliances and stuff would better organize the Factions in GL to atleast let other legions who pick a fight with a legion they know what they are getting into, I mean regardless if this passes or not Empires will grow and so with other legion alliances this option just makes it eaiser for those groups with Multi legions to better organize this isnt like EOTS,TU,GP DYsos,POTC all join into the Trivumate Empire because your different factions that just so happen to be in the same battle group you would each gather up your sub legions and be put into that said Grouping name.
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Darth Flagitious
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Hawkeblade wrote: Well in Tris case your a confederation of alliances, Alliances would be like TU and Revenge TU make the Unknown Alliance with a NAP/Battle/Trade but your individual legion NAPs are different but the Alliances and stuff would better organize the Factions in GL to atleast let other legions who pick a fight with a legion they know what they are getting into, I mean regardless if this passes or not Empires will grow and so with other legion alliances this option just makes it eaiser for those groups with Multi legions to better organize this isnt like EOTS,TU,GP DYsos,POTC all join into the Trivumate Empire because your different factions that just so happen to be in the same battle group you would each gather up your sub legions and be put into that said Grouping name. Right. I understand what you're saying Hawke. TU could form an "empire" with us and RTU and maybe even WFTR. On the other hand, depending on how this idea would pan out if implemented, we could also form a "Triumpire." I'm just advocating caution in creating stronger or more integrated ties between individual legions.
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Preliator Xzien
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Perhaps limiting it to just a parent legion and a training legion?
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Hawkeblade
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Darth Flagitious wrote: Hawkeblade wrote: Well in Tris case your a confederation of alliances, Alliances would be like TU and Revenge TU make the Unknown Alliance with a NAP/Battle/Trade but your individual legion NAPs are different but the Alliances and stuff would better organize the Factions in GL to atleast let other legions who pick a fight with a legion they know what they are getting into, I mean regardless if this passes or not Empires will grow and so with other legion alliances this option just makes it eaiser for those groups with Multi legions to better organize this isnt like EOTS,TU,GP DYsos,POTC all join into the Trivumate Empire because your different factions that just so happen to be in the same battle group you would each gather up your sub legions and be put into that said Grouping name. Right. I understand what you're saying Hawke. TU could form an "empire" with us and RTU and maybe even WFTR. On the other hand, depending on how this idea would pan out if implemented, we could also form a "Triumpire." I'm just advocating caution in creating stronger or more integrated ties between individual legions. Ah ok, then ill go with this. To Start a Alliance/Faction/Empire the starting legion will be dubbed the flagship Legion and Appear at the top of the chart when clicked on the Empire page. FlagShip Legion / \ / \ / \ Prime Legion Prime Legion / \ / \ / \ Sub-Legion Sub-Legion Only the Flagship Legion gets to be presented on the Legion Leader Board thus opening more slots for other legions to get on the main boards, a New Leaderboard for Empire/Faction/Alliance. Strength/Rank board EX. Rank/Rank Name of Group total Rank Score/Total Strength 1/3. [Chivalry Empire] <- (Click able, takes you to the Empire Page for that said group) 540,404 / 10,858,595 And then do, aka combine, the same for the Legion strength and rank board. And Honestly DF i dont know of any way to make it to were you cant make a TRiumpore unless we get extremely technical, I figure you guys some from the DoO days wouldnt join together and make the a SUPER Empire just for the sake of the game. I have enough faith that you guys wouldnt do that.
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