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Dan, the gtc was one of your best ideas for players who dont use the forums or who want to sell lower quantitys. But using it is horrible. more than half the people there use it simply for storage by putting prices like 99,999,999,999 for 50 cloning pods. and when you finaly find something you want to buy everyone snipes one or two seconds before it expires so you have no chance of upping your bid. bad for lots of players, bad for seller.

So heres what should be changed.

10% of the artifacts are taken by the gtc if no bids are placed or 10% of the starting price is paid to the gtc. if your going to make a sale this shouldn't matter but if your going out to just store your artifacts temporarly this would cause you to think twice

Snipe bid protection. Used a lot on the forums for a reason. On the gtc if the time left is less than 2 minuets the time goes back to 2 minuets remaining. enough time to react and place another bid.

I'll admit this next one is minor so only use your time on this one if it would be quick to change
Defalt entry. When you enter the gtc at the moment it shows a pretty random asortment of things for sale. why not let players see whats about to be sold first. Most people would want to see if they could be missing something they need over a random assortment.

So what do you think?

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Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:17 pm
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I agree with all this. +1

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Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:42 pm
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Just turn GTC into a shopping mall.

Every one can set there own shop up, and if your looking for one artifact, make a search box
that search all the stores for that artifact.

make it so the tax is 10% or 20% what ever on it. Then everything should run smoother.

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Dan, the gtc was one of your best ideas for players who dont use the forums or who want to sell lower quantitys. But using it is horrible. more than half the people there use it simply for storage by putting prices like 99,999,999,999 for 50 cloning pods. and when you finaly find something you want to buy everyone snipes one or two seconds before it expires so you have no chance of upping your bid. bad for lots of players, bad for seller.

So heres what should be changed.

10% of the artifacts are taken by the gtc if no bids are placed or 10% of the starting price is paid to the gtc. if your going to make a sale this shouldn't matter but if your going out to just store your artifacts temporarly this would cause you to think twice
NO WAY! I would be pissed if I lost 10% of my ctp because it didn't sell (example). We already have tariffs
Snipe bid protection. Used a lot on the forums for a reason. On the gtc if the time left is less than 2 minuets the time goes back to 2 minuets remaining. enough time to react and place another bid. +1

I'll admit this next one is minor so only use your time on this one if it would be quick to change
Defalt entry. When you enter the gtc at the moment it shows a pretty random asortment of things for sale. why not let players see whats about to be sold first. Most people would want to see if they could be missing something they need over a random assortment.
+0, doesnt really matter. Only takes a couple seconds to search
So what do you think?

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Peticks wrote:
Dan, the gtc was one of your best ideas for players who dont use the forums or who want to sell lower quantitys. But using it is horrible. more than half the people there use it simply for storage by putting prices like 99,999,999,999 for 50 cloning pods. and when you finaly find something you want to buy everyone snipes one or two seconds before it expires so you have no chance of upping your bid. bad for lots of players, bad for seller.

So heres what should be changed.

10% of the artifacts are taken by the gtc if no bids are placed or 10% of the starting price is paid to the gtc. if your going to make a sale this shouldn't matter but if your going out to just store your artifacts temporarly this would cause you to think twice
NO WAY! I would be pissed if I lost 10% of my ctp because it didn't sell (example). We already have tariffs
Snipe bid protection. Used a lot on the forums for a reason. On the gtc if the time left is less than 2 minuets the time goes back to 2 minuets remaining. enough time to react and place another bid. +1

I'll admit this next one is minor so only use your time on this one if it would be quick to change
Defalt entry. When you enter the gtc at the moment it shows a pretty random asortment of things for sale. why not let players see whats about to be sold first. Most people would want to see if they could be missing something they need over a random assortment.
+0, doesnt really matter. Only takes a couple seconds to search
So what do you think?

Ok I can definatly see losing 10% of your ctp/ctps value would be a probelm.
maybe a 100m-200m option on auction to safeguard from loseing in non sale. Not much for higher ranks who put up lots of high value items but enough to discourage people from storing items using this option and people putting super high prices on easily obtained items. everything on the gtc should be put there with a value that it might be traded at instead of a value that ocasionaly a passing madman may look at.

the last one is only if its very quick to change. Im sure all dan needs do is change the gtc show on startup to show by ending that should be a copy and paste job since he allready has the code needed

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10% of the artifacts are taken by the gtc if no bids are placed or 10% of the starting price is paid to the gtc. if your going to make a sale this shouldn't matter but if your going out to just store your artifacts temporarly this would cause you to think twice


Low level players who try to sell things for credits would feel this harder than anyone else if this comes in, and could annoy them enough
to quit if it happened a lot.

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Snipe bid protection. Used a lot on the forums for a reason. On the gtc if the time left is less than 2 minuets the time goes back to 2 minuets remaining. enough time to react and place another bid.


Ideas to stop this always seem weird to me. Some are good but seem highly impractical to insert into the game. Yes it would stop a lot of hassle and moaning, but i dont see how it could be put into the game. Time-locking a auction when it hits one minute remaining, or maybe a massive raise in minimum bid or energy costs, or even a capped number of times you can bid on a auction?

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Defalt entry. When you enter the gtc at the moment it shows a pretty random asortment of things for sale. why not let players see whats about to be sold first. Most people would want to see if they could be missing something they need over a random assortment.


You could just click the "ending" button to bring some order, or maybe keep the last search up (ie if you filter for "tech" then tech parts would stay up after closing the gtc tab) like the artefact filters on other tabs. Or maybe automatically putting the list into alphabetical order when the gtc opens.

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Want to stop sniping?
How about you stop trying to cheat the seller?
At any point you can bid however high you have.
If you bid what you actually want to pay then you get outbid it isn't a problem because you didn't want to pay that much anyways.

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Want to stop sniping?
How about you stop trying to cheat the seller?
At any point you can bid however high you have.
If you bid what you actually want to pay then you get outbid it isn't a problem because you didn't want to pay that much anyways.

Cheat the seller. Thats a very pesimistic way of looking at things.
people place multiple bids in planetary auctions. Do they place their highest bid at the start? no they place a medium bid and are willing to go higher people always look to get it cheaply. Sellers will get more money via this system than the current system as people snipe bid only because their offer will likely get outbidded if they bid normaly. The price will rise up to the point where its the highest offer like in normal auctions.

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Snipe bid protection. Used a lot on the forums for a reason. On the gtc if the time left is less than 2 minuets the time goes back to 2 minuets remaining. enough time to react and place another bid.


Ideas to stop this always seem weird to me. Some are good but seem highly impractical to insert into the game. Yes it would stop a lot of hassle and moaning, but i dont see how it could be put into the game. Time-locking a auction when it hits one minute remaining, or maybe a massive raise in minimum bid or energy costs, or even a capped number of times you can bid on a auction?

I wouldn't think it would be hard. if the game uses a count down then when the bid is recived this would do it I would expect. Or something along these lines.
Code:
 if (Time < 120) {
Var time = 120
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in regards to the CTP, the 10% to gtc could exclusive to items that take cargo space.
EM, CTP, they dont use cargo, so no loss.
and everyone should be able to snipe quite well by now.. open the game clock, and watch/refresh the trade center and time your last bid accordingly.. SIMPLE. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

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I understand your concern, but using GTS wisely as additional cargo space, is just possible.
Also, I personally see max 10% of offers with price 999...99B. So for me not a real issue.

What I would like to add, that the sniping offers are really killers.. as the seller is not getting a great price and the buyer is more less lucky to win... (depends more on internet connection than on the player). On other side, I did buy several times this way, if this is the game rule, so lets win per rule!
Anyway, maybe a limit to increase the bids should be implemented - not for values, but for the number of bids in last 30 secs.
Or anything similar making sniping harder a lot.

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icarium81 wrote:
and everyone should be able to snipe quite well by now.. open the game clock, and watch/refresh the trade center and time your last bid accordingly.. SIMPLE. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.


yes, you can time your bids, but based on server lag, you may or may not succeed. the advantage goes to those wtih the super-fast connections. the only reason to maintain the current system is to keep the coding simple, but that's not a good 'gaming' reason, as there was a post already with only a brief snippet of code that needs to be added.

the gtc should be a true auction, and a 2-min counter would allow for that. heck, the other fb game that i played with an auction house added a whopping 5 minutes with every bid (though everything over the game-set cap price went into the drink). sellers would get a more 'fair' price, and folks will have to invest some in-game energy to win auctions (energy and time should have value, not just luck of the draw). it's proven to work well in the trading forums ... it's time to code it into the gtc.

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I agree the gtc needs adjusting, however im not very fond of the suggestions presented here though. Features I'd like to see added are:

Buy it now

Increase the amount of em you can sell

Snipe bid protection

Allow the selling of certain gp artifacts

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