Merge Legion Search and Leaderboard
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Preliator Xzien
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:56 pm Posts: 8877 Location: Behind you... Stop looking behind you...
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Ok so this goes back to the problem some people have brought up before about new players making a new legion and nothing happens, thus they quit. My suggestion involves an overhaul to both the Legion Leaderboard area and the Legion Search area. Basically, merge them together. This would also save some space for any future buttons to be added to the legion tab should there be any.
The new merged window would function exactly the same as the other two with some additions. The leaderboard would appear as normal with the legion search functions at the bottom. People could click 'Next' to view the Top 51-100 legions and so on. The game already does something similar to this due to being able to see your own legion's standing on the leaderboard, so I don't think this would put much strain on the system. If it does, then perhaps a small change in the frequency of updating the leaderboards would solve it. It would also allow for the non-leaderboard legions to not get snuffed out because their name is not visible or easily found. The update where you can see your legion's standing would still work, but only if you are viewing a page that your legion is not currently on.
And if a person is looking for a particular legion or name they can use the legion search bar also located at the bottom, which would function the exact same way as before. Lastly, a new button 'New Legions' would allow people to view the newest legions to join or perhaps send recruitment messages to. The only downside I can see to this would be that it makes it slightly more difficult for new legions to establish due to people viewing the leaderboards first and not new legions. At the same time though, it would allow new people to possibly join a better and more established legion, increasing the likelihood that they stay with the game. I've seen similar systems like this work in other games that involve player guilds and such and they tend to work pretty well. The hope here with this is that a better search system can allow for more players to stick with the game and thus potentially increase Dan's revenue and help out with a major issue with the game.
Critiques and advice for the suggestion are appreciated with your +1's and -1's.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:54 pm |
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itsSoulPLayAgain
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:30 am Posts: 4230
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I like the idea, but kinda see it as a waist of time.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:00 pm |
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Feldshan
Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 1:57 pm Posts: 172
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If it helps keep more players in the game its not a bad idea most likely.
I would change it though so legions could put if they were looking for players or not, and what level players they were looking for. Most likely the top 10 to 20 legions don't want players below level 200 or so. While established lv 4,5 base legions would most likely take lower level players to help flesh out their legions. It may also stop the annoying 1 person legions that keep getting formed and take up more space on the game servers. Have it something like this:
Legion Rank, Legion Name, Score, Looking for recruits (rank level if yes/NO if not looking for recruits)
1. The Dysonians...... 63000 NO 2. Empire Of The Sun 57568 900 3. The Honey Badgers 51480 600 4. Galactic Paladins... 51414 100 etc.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:16 pm |
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detregets
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:37 am Posts: 2637
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+1
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:50 pm |
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icarium81
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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adding the required info into your own base shouldnt be so hard either. simply add a few option boxes with rank brackets, one for wanting recruits or not... seems pretty simple.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:25 pm |
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KxG Ryoko
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:31 am Posts: 945 Location: Midchilda Section Six
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+1 to the suggestion
-1 to the fact that it'll likely be used to just funnel new players into "training" legions, which will starve smaller legions of vital and valuable new players.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:19 pm |
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gerrgd
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:56 pm Posts: 381
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i think thats the point. to starve smaller legions so that they combine with other small legions or get the players to sister legion so they have a bigger opportunity.
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:18 pm |
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Preliator Xzien
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:56 pm Posts: 8877 Location: Behind you... Stop looking behind you...
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gerrgd wrote: i think thats the point. to starve smaller legions so that they combine with other small legions or get the players to sister legion so they have a bigger opportunity. Exactly. Give the legion search a day and there will be at least 20 new legions made that are doomed to fail and leave the 1-3 members there to stagnate and eventually quit. By showing more, and better, options for them other than the top 50, which will almost never take on new people, they have a better opportunity to stay with the game and develop a stronger ship. Something that plagues GL is the number of dead ships and legions out there. The focus of the suggestion is to both decrease those and increase the amount of people that stick with the game.
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:01 pm |
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Adsibearsawsome
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:02 pm Posts: 1327
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+1, really like this ideas, seen a similar thing work in many other games, can't seeing it slowing the gaem down at all/ very much and it will mean other legions in top 50 can compare with others and cause more competition and rivalry between say factions/ legions meaning more people will stay with the game! Great idea! 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:10 pm |
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Caladis
Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:24 pm Posts: 359 Location: Houston, TX
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+1
Maybe they can break it up into 3 groups. Top 50 Legions with Artifact Bases, by rank and strength. Top 50 Research, by same, and of course Top 50 with Mining (if there are 50 with mining), by same. Base type decided by allocated points into Base Resource Richness, or in the cases of tied richness, the category with the larger pay out.
This will make it easier for people of all ranks to find exactly what there looking for and apply. It will also be interesting to really see what the top 150 legions are v.s. just the traditional top 50.
We could even keep a tab for the traditional top 50 or maybe turn it into a top 100 to better compare the legions of all category's side by side when not sorted by specific type.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:04 am |
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Feldshan
Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 1:57 pm Posts: 172
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Caladis wrote: +1
Maybe they can break it up into 3 groups. Top 50 Legions with Artifact Bases, by rank and strength. Top 50 Research, by same, and of course Top 50 with Mining (if there are 50 with mining), by same. Base type decided by allocated points into Base Resource Richness, or in the cases of tied richness, the category with the larger pay out.
This will make it easier for people of all ranks to find exactly what there looking for and apply. It will also be interesting to really see what the top 150 legions are v.s. just the traditional top 50.
We could even keep a tab for the traditional top 50 or maybe turn it into a top 100 to better compare the legions of all category's side by side when not sorted by specific type. So rank the legions by base level, and then strength, and list what levels of players they are looking for in each category, sounds good to me.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:22 pm |
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KxG Ryoko
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:31 am Posts: 945 Location: Midchilda Section Six
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Feldshan wrote: Caladis wrote: +1
Maybe they can break it up into 3 groups. Top 50 Legions with Artifact Bases, by rank and strength. Top 50 Research, by same, and of course Top 50 with Mining (if there are 50 with mining), by same. Base type decided by allocated points into Base Resource Richness, or in the cases of tied richness, the category with the larger pay out.
This will make it easier for people of all ranks to find exactly what there looking for and apply. It will also be interesting to really see what the top 150 legions are v.s. just the traditional top 50.
We could even keep a tab for the traditional top 50 or maybe turn it into a top 100 to better compare the legions of all category's side by side when not sorted by specific type. So rank the legions by base level, and then strength, and list what levels of players they are looking for in each category, sounds good to me. All that'll accomplish is exactly what I've already pointed out. Strong legions get stronger as they get listed ahead of smaller legions. And ranking via base level means jack-all as Nam just proved, boosted a base up to level 7 on his own. Yet another way of showing big/strong legion getting listed ahead of smaller legions. if there was a way to do this fairly so everyone had a shot at being listed, instead of "Oh we've got the backing of a big legion, ergo we're better than 'X legion'" then I'd support it.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:06 pm |
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icarium81
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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i dont understand what the issue is, why would you want all the 5 player legions to be listed equally with the ones with 40 members... clearly the 40 member legions are more well established. and in NAMS case, his base level will dictate who comes to him easy enough. the suggestion is clearly in hopes of COMBINING all those 5 man legions that will eventually fail, and merge them into a much nicer and stronger 40-50+ person legion.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:19 pm |
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KxG Ryoko
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:31 am Posts: 945 Location: Midchilda Section Six
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I'm merely speaking out against the implications of the game actually being programmed to show favoratism towards the higher ranked legions.
If a solution can be thought of that doesn't show rampant favoratism to big legions and legions that are backed by leaderboard legions then hell, I'd be all for that.
all the solutions that have been proposed essentially provide a lifeline to larger legions while systematically cutting any hope for small legions to grow to the size of the midsize/larger legions that everyone seems hellbent on protecting.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:39 pm |
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Preliator Xzien
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:56 pm Posts: 8877 Location: Behind you... Stop looking behind you...
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KxG Ryoko wrote: I'm merely speaking out against the implications of the game actually being programmed to show favoratism towards the higher ranked legions.
If a solution can be thought of that doesn't show rampant favoratism to big legions and legions that are backed by leaderboard legions then hell, I'd be all for that.
all the solutions that have been proposed essentially provide a lifeline to larger legions while systematically cutting any hope for small legions to grow to the size of the midsize/larger legions that everyone seems hellbent on protecting. Regardless of how its put, the higher ranked legions will always have favoritism simply because they are stronger. There is no way around that. What I am suggesting is a way for other legions to become stronger themselves by giving them a face on the legion search and by attempting to get potential players to stick with the game.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:45 pm |
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Feldshan
Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 1:57 pm Posts: 172
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You don't want all legions to have a fair shot, you want the better legions to have the top spots. You want smaller players to join a larger legion instead of starting their own only to stop playing because they get a ton of lv 1 accounts that join their legion just to see what they have and then stop playing creating a dead legion. Those dead legions take up sever space and fill up the sever long before it would be full otherwise. Players are more likely to stick around if they join a larger legion then a 5 man team that does nothing for them and can't raise a lv 3 base even.
The idea is to get more members for the legions that are doing something and get rid of all the wasted space of those 1 person dead legions.
Those larger legions most likely only want 400+ players, the way I described that is that it would show in the search function. Players could go to the second, third or 4th pages to find the smaller legions that are looking for smaller players. If you see numbers like this on the first page: Looking for players: 1: No 2:700 3: 450 4:400 5:350 6:200 7:250 8:300 9:150 10:200
Most likely if you are lv 20 and plan on playing you will flip to the next page to see the other legions that are a smaller but looking for players your level. If you are not bothered to do that then most likely you would stop playing anyways. Besides once people play long enough and read the forums they start moving to the better legions anyways no matter what game you play.
We also don't have over 100 bases to lv 7 in any artifact, research or mining (from what I know) so the middle legions would be in the top 20 legions anyways.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:50 pm |
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SovietOfficer
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:08 pm Posts: 509 Location: Lavender Town
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The idea looks interesting, but its not necessary because even when your not in a legion you can still check out the leader boards.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:09 pm |
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icarium81
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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SovietOfficer wrote: The idea looks interesting, but its not necessary because even when your not in a legion you can still check out the leader boards.
-1 its not about seeing the leaderboards, its about seeing which legions are looking for people and WHAT they are looking for.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:18 pm |
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SovietOfficer
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:08 pm Posts: 509 Location: Lavender Town
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icarium81 wrote: SovietOfficer wrote: The idea looks interesting, but its not necessary because even when your not in a legion you can still check out the leader boards.
-1 its not about seeing the leaderboards, its about seeing which legions are looking for people and WHAT they are looking for. Then click search legions  simple as that. Or if your a forum user check the legions section. It defeats the purpose of making new legions, people would only be checking the leader boards based off of rank and or strength.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:30 pm |
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icarium81
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 3056
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you just arent getting it... please, go to the legion search area, and go through the first 100 pages.. tell me how many legions have 35+ members AND are giving research output... and send a message to them as well... this is a serious task i want you to do. shouldnt take too long.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:33 pm |
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