new Race/proffession - Titan
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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not going go into detail about the chain, that upto dan to create.
My idea is that at the end of this chain, it unlocks titan race Hes my idea for it:
Titan - Rare complex machinery race, what adapted to its strongest form. But at a cost.
Abilities: 10% attack 10% Defense 5% hull 5% shielding 5% energy
Downfall: +100% upkeep, Repair costs are Tripled & Invasion costs are doubled. Due to being as strongest as possible, Neural interface & RSL does not benefit the player. (No EXP bonus) When attacking, Risk of Machinery malfunction (2%). Causes 90% damage to the current Life points.
Professionals: Race adaption - You choose a race and take on its abilities (titan talth for example) However, Downfall effects are increased: +200% Upkeep Repair costs are doubled Again (6x Multiplier, 1.2 Billion Repair cost) Machinery malfunction chance is tripled (6% chance) Invasion cost is Doubled again (4x multiplier)
Environment adaption - Doubles the effect of the titan race, Down fall is also increased: +100% Upkeep Repair costs are increased by 2 (5x multiplier, 1 Billion Repair Cost) Machinery Malfunction chance is doubled (4% chance) Invasion cost remain the same (2x multiplier)
Fixer - 30% more hull explorer - 10% more scan Excavator - 10% more artifacts Builder - 50% less upkeep
~JF~
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Last edited by John Falls on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:03 pm, edited 9 times in total.
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Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:35 pm |
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MXer42
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:06 am Posts: 82
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im thinking this is too over powered, even with the heavy upkeep. Just think if golgatha went titan, if he is unstoppable now he could never be touched.
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Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:57 pm |
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kirkeastment
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:24 pm Posts: 2810 Location: UK
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MXer42 wrote: im thinking this is too over powered, even with the heavy upkeep. Just think if golgatha went titan, if he is unstoppable now he could never be touched. Possible counter to that, reverse Xecti? Xecti effect comes into play when under attack - Titan effect comes into play when attacking. Sidenote, i'd be fine with a 200% upkeep increase, as would the number of SSB's these days running obscenely low upkeeps 
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Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:00 pm |
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KJReed
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:08 am Posts: 3142
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If you know what you are doing upkeep isn't a problem. Needs more of a drawback.
Also no % energy.
p.s. Golgotha does have a great ship, but is far from unstoppable
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Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:01 pm |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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KJReed wrote: If you know what you are doing upkeep isn't a problem. Needs more of a drawback.
Also no % energy.
p.s. Golgotha does have a great ship, but is far from unstoppable *Updated*
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Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:19 pm |
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Flux
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:00 am Posts: 804
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John Falls wrote: not going go into detail about the chain, that upto dan to create.
My idea is that at the end of this chain, it unlocks titan race Hes my idea for it:
Titan - Rare complex machinery race what adapted to its strongest form. But at cost.
Abilities: 10% attack 10% Defense 10% hull rest removed
Downfall: +100% upkeep, Repair costs are Tripled. Due to being as strongest as possible, Neural interface & RSL can not be used. rest removed, strongest race should not have mailfunctionality...
Professionals: Race adaption - You choose a race and take on its abilities (titan talth for example) However, It Doubles the effect of the down fall + Invasion timer is doubled, if race is taken as profession.
Environment adaption - Doubles the effect of the titan race, 50% more downfall effect.
explorer - 10% more scan Excavator - 10% more artifacts Governor Builder...
~JF~ nice idea, to introduce one time a superior race... but I saw the stats overpowered and not all in line of superior race. thus, I did modified in the text instead of retyping the parts. Hope you do not mind.
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:19 am |
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asdfgr
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:25 pm Posts: 1091
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Biulder an 200% more upkeep cancel each other out.
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:49 am |
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DarthRavadge
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:26 pm Posts: 1621 Location: Orbiting the ruins of your base
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-50% to planet defense/cloak/attack would be a way to balance it. Upkeep is meaningless.
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:03 am |
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PaulHsiao
Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:08 am Posts: 837
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DarthRavadge wrote: -50% to planet defense/cloak/attack would be a way to balance it. Upkeep is meaningless. Perhaps -50% is a bit much? Definitely a way to take away the general overpowered-ness of the idea. +1, if a way to balance the idea can be found.
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:55 am |
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MXer42
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:06 am Posts: 82
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PaulHsiao wrote: DarthRavadge wrote: -50% to planet defense/cloak/attack would be a way to balance it. Upkeep is meaningless. Perhaps -50% is a bit much? Definitely a way to take away the general overpowered-ness of the idea. +1, if a way to balance the idea can be found. maybe a % deduction from artifact output? i know how everyone likes there arti output
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:46 am |
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TimeManipulator
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:13 pm Posts: 2711 Location: Somewhere trying to find a way to increase the use of Time Manipulators.
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It has potential, a lot of positive yet a lot of negative while using this profession.
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:33 am |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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DarthRavadge wrote: -50% to planet defense/cloak/attack would be a way to balance it. Upkeep is meaningless. At 12k mining and 12k research, i can support my ship of 12.6B upkeep. Yet this is still not the maximum, The maximum is 15B what yet i can not support. Now if you take this race, its doubled. this means you have 30B upkeep a day. This take roughly 24k mining and 24k research or more. Then if you take the Titan - Race adpation - Its doubled again to 60B upkeep a DAY. That would take 50k mining & 50k research per hour. You say upkeep is nothing. But if you have 10B invasion (And by the way, thats x4, 40B for invasion) You soon run out of credits. This design of race is powerful, Yet you will have to trade your artifact planets in for more mining and research. This is the downfall of having a powerful race, Yet its still not more powerful than Xecti fixer. If you sit there and think about it, this idea as it stand is pretty well balanced. ~JF~
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:49 pm |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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*Editing the idea, smoothing it out abit*
~JF~
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:50 pm |
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Super
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:28 pm Posts: 295 Location: Space
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It's well balanced if you ask me , but at which rank do we start the chain ?
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:45 pm |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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Super wrote: It's well balanced if you ask me , but at which rank do we start the chain ? Thank you, I've put some thought into it. Honestly, i would say rank 100 or so. Little players wont be able to take this race on due to the upkeep. Maybe at rank 250, a player can take on titan builder. Titan: 10% attack 10% defense 5% hull 5% shields 5% energy. +100 Upkeep, 3x repair cost (600M), Doubled invasion cost. Builder: -50% upkeep. upkeep should be normal then, 200% Halfed (-50%) 100% upkeep. ~JF~
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:52 pm |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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The strongest a player could be is:
Titan: 10% attack 10% defense 5% hull 5% shields 5% energy.
Xecti: 40% Attack and defense when attacked. 40% planet defense increase.
Downfall: + 300% Upkeep Repairs to ship cost 1.2B (6x multiplier) Machinery malfunction (6% chance), 90% current life point damage. Invasion costs 4x higher (If invasion costs 10B, it would be 40B).
How ever, To keep a ship like this, maxed out would cost 60B upkeep a day. You would have to swap many artifacts planet slots, for mining and research.
Therefore, Decreasing your artifact points output.
Its all planned out.
~JF~
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:59 pm |
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DarthRavadge
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:26 pm Posts: 1621 Location: Orbiting the ruins of your base
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John Falls wrote: The strongest a player could be is:
Titan: 10% attack 10% defense 5% hull 5% shields 5% energy.
Xecti: 40% Attack and defense when attacked. 40% planet defense increase.
Downfall: + 300% Upkeep Repairs to ship cost 1.2B (6x multiplier) Machinery malfunction (6% chance), 90% current life point damage. Invasion costs 4x higher (If invasion costs 10B, it would be 40B).
How ever, To keep a ship like this, maxed out would cost 60B upkeep a day. You would have to swap many artifacts planet slots, for mining and research.
Therefore, Decreasing your artifact points output.
Its all planned out.
~JF~ So in other words nobody in their right mind would choose this...
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:26 pm |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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DarthRavadge wrote: John Falls wrote: The strongest a player could be is:
Titan: 10% attack 10% defense 5% hull 5% shields 5% energy.
Xecti: 40% Attack and defense when attacked. 40% planet defense increase.
Downfall: + 300% Upkeep Repairs to ship cost 1.2B (6x multiplier) Machinery malfunction (6% chance), 90% current life point damage. Invasion costs 4x higher (If invasion costs 10B, it would be 40B).
How ever, To keep a ship like this, maxed out would cost 60B upkeep a day. You would have to swap many artifacts planet slots, for mining and research.
Therefore, Decreasing your artifact points output.
Its all planned out.
~JF~ So in other words nobody in their right mind would choose this... Well no, there will be some players who choose this. we would feel like there extra powerful. but they wouldn't be more powerful than Xecti fixer. Players who choose this, would have an advantage in PVP terms against every one else but Xecti & Aleren But they will lose so much in other ways to obtain this ability, Like everything else in this game. *Edit* They wouldn't have a hacking advantage though. ~JF~
_________________ Give Respect To Gain Respect, Never Demand it, Treat Others, How you would like to be treated, Manners Doesn't cost anything, Those who dont follow these rules, aren't worth knowing, Member of The Unknown.~John Falls~
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:00 pm |
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KJReed
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:08 am Posts: 3142
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Its only 60b at max. If you aren't an idiot about it though.... drop just quasis, and you are down to half that about.
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:20 pm |
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John Falls
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:50 pm Posts: 1010
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KJReed wrote: Its only 60b at max. If you aren't an idiot about it though.... drop just quasis, and you are down to half that about. To true, they are a killer. I think this needs more tactical building over wack everything on. Still would be an expensive race, whats its designed to be. specially for its abilities. ~JF~
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Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:57 pm |
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