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Hi Guys,

Dan I'd like to know what mechanism can be put in the game that disallows any player from doing this to players. And if possible if there is a way of reversing this kind of abuse.

if there is no way, then there is a lesson here, which can hurt everyone in this game. It has happened before where leaders officers simply go on a mass purge. This should not be allowed.

For one; members can spend hundreds of dollars to get their base as high as us and practically our whole game career. Why does any player have the right to deprive you of your work. I can understand players being kicked because they have done something wrong. but a power trip is too much to swallow.

Id like to see possible additions where a leader/officer can only remove 2 people a day which is more than enough to halt this kind of abuse if queried with you why this is going on it can be stopped in its tracks, if you dont wish to be pestered tan make it 5 players or something.

This situation is going to see a mass retirement as for many stepping this far back is just too much were were close to unlocking level 9 base this has taken us months.

Thank you

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Fully agree... Many people spent hours and energy to make the legion what it is...
Because someone gets a hardon on power like this, should not be allowed...

Please restore the gameplay to the people who built the legion..


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Hi Guys,

Dan I'd like to know what mechanism can be put in the game that disallows any player from doing this to players. And if possible if there is a way of reversing this kind of abuse.

if there is no way, then there is a lesson here, which can hurt everyone in this game. It has happened before where leaders officers simply go on a mass purge. This should not be allowed.

For one; members can spend hundreds of dollars to get their base as high as us and practically our whole game career. Why does any player have the right to deprive you of your work. I can understand players being kicked because they have done something wrong. but a power trip is too much to swallow.

Id like to see possible additions where a leader/officer can only remove 2 people a day which is more than enough to halt this kind of abuse if queried with you why this is going on it can be stopped in its tracks, if you dont wish to be pestered tan make it 5 players or something.

This situation is going to see a mass retirement as for many stepping this far back is just too much were were close to unlocking level 9 base this has taken us months.

Thank you

This idea will definitely slow this abuse down. Since who needs to mass kick every player in a legion? Sounds like abuse to me.

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I totally agree with this!Ive spent the last 2 1/2 yrs in this legion spending time and money in it just to be mass purged because one person in postion of power gets a hair across his butt.Its not fair to everyone in the legion and its abuse use of positon by the XxblitzxX cause technically he just stole money from those in the legion that contributed to it


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all above true,
+1 for suggestion to limit the number of kicked players thru daily limit

on other side, this case will reveal us a part of Dan's policy related to abuse of GL game options.


Anyway, lets hope that the Dysonians base still has all modules installed.

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My suggestion is that a new command prompt be added to the top 10 contributors to a legion. No one shall be able to boot out any of the top 10 with out a vote of the of 9/10 of the top 10 to boot them..

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I like the idea of a cap - there needs to be a way to quickly remove inactives, traders, etc, but it shouldn't be possible to do what happened to you guys, especially with all the resources you spent.

Maybe it could be related in some way to base contribution/loyalty? A trader won't be around long enough to be loyal - so if someone hasn't contributed to the base, they could be booted without a 'trial,' so to speak. And if someone's inactive, same deal.

But maybe have kicking someone that's loyal require a thumbs-up from over half the leaders and officers?

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I would say anything after the 2nd kick in a day requires consent from the majority of officers/leaders in the legion. The 3rd kick would initiate an alert in the log of all current officers and leaders that links to a dialog box with the name of the player being kicked, name of player initiating the kick, a dialogue box for an explanation of the kick, and a yes or no option to vote. Once the majority has answered either yes, or no, the kick is handled accordingly.

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Chris24markey wrote:
My suggestion is that a new command prompt be added to the top 10 contributors to a legion. No one shall be able to boot out any of the top 10 with out a vote of the of 9/10 of the top 10 to boot them..

problem with this is if 2 jack*beeps* work together and donate all the EM between them.... they are certainly gonna be top 10, and they are likely to protect each other.....


I can agree to kick cap idea, but it's unlikely to do much.
If the "founder"(longest time leader) is on the power trip: he can demote every other leader/officer and slowly kick them out anyway
If it's not the said founder, the founder can restore order in a matter of 7 days.
Ofc, in the latter case the cap will help minimize damage, but in the formal, death cannot be escaped, just delayed.

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I think the cap would be the best way to go.

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Seems Dan Just made a Post he will not intervene, So its ok to steal cash,resources etc from a almost 9 base by booting everyone, But, Its NOT ok to sreal mission planets cuz we all didnt like the idea of losing cash....Get it ? Dan yer gonna lose players if this isnt resolved quickly...

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Someone brought this up in a rather active chat we are having about this and i have to agree that this is a good idea. I believe if you leave a legion or possibly better as it involves a decision process. If you forced out then you should get all your base contributions back and the base rolls back.

Right now you have players who can get several million resources a day if they choose to stay.

This means modules you bought CTP, Energy you invested.

These records are kept anyway.

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This might be off topic, but I am going to put it here any way.

I would like a mechanism in which a majority of loyal members can demote a leader. A member initiates the vote or something and the leaders loses their ability to kick for a duration of time while votes are being cast. If the majority of loyal members vote to demote the leader they become a member not an officer, to prevent them from kicking everyone.

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I don't feel like putting in limits to demotions/boots is a good plan, nor interfering with internal politics as a mechanic. However, a good option would be that if you leave a legion or are removed from one, you take any base contributions with you and they automatically carry to your next legion's base. Demote or promote the base, as applicable.


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Sorry to hear that some of the good members of the Dysonian alliance got hit hard by the selfish actions of one individual. I don't think the cap is a good idea. The main complaint is that what safeguards are there for members who have contributed immensely to a base. Even with a cap, what is to stop leadership from punting out members over a 20 day period? It still puts the members at disadvantage because they do not have any power to control their leaders' actions.

As for the voting strategy in terms of booting people, I again see problems with that. An alliance leader could then very easily demote officers to regular members, giving him the majority in any vote.

I think this just underscores that people need to have an understanding of the character of the individuals in charge of their alliance. Its sad, but people can easily get screwed over if they have selfish leaders in charge of their alliance.

In the past, that was my issue with Byteman (now the inactive Deadringer) - and look at where he is. Out of a leadership position and basically out of the game. XxBlitzxX has shown his true colors - I sent him several messages that using his alliance for his own selfish purposes would lead to its undoing. And clearly it is.....


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Yesterday while talking with some legion members about what had happened to the Dysonians an idea hit me. In my old legion we were able to have a corrupt/unfit leader demoted even though he was the longest leader. (Since the others had to pop out from time to time.) My suggestion is to make it so only two or three people can be booted from a legion every 24 hours. If people can recognize what's happening they can contact Dan, the corrupt person or people could get demoted and booted by someone who is now in a higher position.
What does everyone think?

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+1 I was thinking the same thing last night, except only with 1 (or 2) person/people being able to get booted per day.

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+1 I was thinking the same thing last night, except only with 1 (or 2) person/people being able to get booted per day.

The reason I said two or three was incase of a group of multis or something that actually needed to be booted.

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imrockerman wrote:
+1 I was thinking the same thing last night, except only with 1 (or 2) person/people being able to get booted per day.

The reason I said two or three was incase of a group of multis or something that actually needed to be booted.


Two to three is a great idea too, in my opinion. But if the leader WAS in fact, corrupt, like what happened to the Dysonians, it could lead to more people being kicked for NO reason at all. I think the limit should be three, as you said. :)

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imrockerman wrote:
+1 I was thinking the same thing last night, except only with 1 (or 2) person/people being able to get booted per day.

The reason I said two or three was incase of a group of multis or something that actually needed to be booted.



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