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Author:  kirkeastment [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Harassment.... should it have a place?
Well since Dan told me to post this here, here it is;

Do you think there should be a more permanent way to block a player from seeing you at all?


So over the past few years of playing this game, i've rarely encountered this myself, but i know of those who have, and how it has affected them, both in-game and personally.

As we all know, this is a war game, so we expect to be badged and have planets stolen from us... and so on and so forth....

However, where do we draw the line, and at what point?

IMO, if a player is solely playing this game with no other purpose other than to harass someone; by which i mean, just spending hours and hours lobbing artifacts at the person, completely preventing them from enjoying this game and preventing any sort of playing of the game as it should be, that is a form of harassment, and it needs to be stamped out.

At its heart, this is just meant to be a game, but we have people carrying 2 year long grudges against each other, people who don't even play the game in the true sense, logging in, seeing their target on their battle tab, and just debuffing them to annoy them, nothing more than that.

I realize, i'm going to get a lot of posts saying; its a war game... grow up... tell him to halc/pacify...

What i would like, is that you ask yourself these and answer truthfully;

Are you the kind of person who would think to just randomly throw debuffs at a person for no reason, other than because you solely despise them/would you want that to happen to you?

Would you play this game, if the only reason was to ensure someone else is unable to?

Do you consider yourself the kind of person who would carry a grudge for over a year, over a game?

Should you have to halc/pacify, just because someone who you've not hit at all or ever, always has you on their battle tab(or can find you easily enough/have you alerted), and all that person wants to do, is harass you all day long?


...........


I'm not suggesting this lightly, i'm suggesting it, because there are people out there, who only play this game just to ensure others cannot play, and to me, that is harassment/bullying and shouldn't be tolerated at all.

To that end, the reason i am posting this is because, i think, on the occasions where it is actually needed, there should be a more permanent way to actually block someone from seeing you at all, and vice versa, so there can be no antagonism...

I would like to see a tiered strike system, wherein if you feel you are being harassed(unprovoked harassment ofc)... you note the details, and pass them along to Dan via email or the report button, along with the offender's ign.

At this point, if it warrants such, Dan could contact this person(via email... am certain all app owners have access to email address associated with accounts as part of the fb linking), advising them to leave said person alone, or face the loss of their account for however long.

Dan would of course have to review the details, and i'm certain in the majority of cases there would be no punishment meted out, because there will be proof of people having brought this on themselves, but there are certainly cases wherein this would apply.
Author:  Uy23e [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
IF a case can be "proven" to be harassment, I'd support some kind of actions against the harasser and possibly some kind of protective actions on the character of the harassed.
But good luck proving something as uncaused harassment.

I don't have much of a temper, so I don't really keep a KoS list. But if I did and someone who is too strong for me happens to be on it, I might arti spam them. Thou as the action is rather logically useless, I don't do it. But that could be a justification. As for how someone got onto the KoS list of someone else, there can be a very wide range of reasons.
Author:  Chloron [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Uy23e wrote:
so I don't really keep a KoS list.

You don't have a KoS list :shock: ??!!??

Come on... not even 1?
Author:  LPenguin [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Quote:
IMO, if a player is solely playing this game with no other purpose other than to harass someone; by which i mean, just spending hours and hours lobbing artifacts at the person, completely preventing them from enjoying this game and preventing any sort of playing of the game as it should be, that is a form of harassment, and it needs to be stamped out.

At its heart, this is just meant to be a game, but we have people carrying 2 year long grudges against each other, people who don't even play the game in the true sense, logging in, seeing their target on their battle tab, and just debuffing them to annoy them, nothing more than that.


I think if someone is really bothering u for weeks on end and doing this then yes for sure I 100% agree with u. However there is so many things to consider.
1. Did u start something and were put kos?
2. Is it a war that u do not want to finish? your legion put kos on a lot of Legions atm and I see a lot of unhappy people coming from your side since their over their head.

I been kos by many Legions in the past, all were for lame stupid excuse reasons. In a smaller Legion its hard to deal with it as a legion, but u can easily avoid it and lets be honest, a simple cm and a few emp's your way means nothing. Containment cages fixes any negative arts on u and u can easily rebuff and at the end of the day if its something that your legion is involved in and u do not want to be a part of it then u might have to leave the Legion.
Author:  itsSoulPLayAgain [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
block comm, block from legion chat. Block on the forums. what more is needed?
Author:  kirkeastment [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
itsSoulPLayAgain wrote:
block comm, block from legion chat. Block on the forums. what more is needed?


If i spam you for the next 12 months every hour, with say a cm and 8-10 disarming bombs/emps, will all of those blocks stop me? or will i make you quit/permanently seek the protection of a calming amp/halc?

I only ask, because right now, i could do that to anyone i please, and there are no repercussions that would stop me from doing so either. I could literally make any player(that's in my range) feel like quitting/resetting just to get away from my attentions.

I'm not saying i would do it, as i'm in no way petty enough to do such a thing, but i and anyone else could if they chose.
Author:  kirkeastment [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
LPenguin wrote:
Quote:
IMO, if a player is solely playing this game with no other purpose other than to harass someone; by which i mean, just spending hours and hours lobbing artifacts at the person, completely preventing them from enjoying this game and preventing any sort of playing of the game as it should be, that is a form of harassment, and it needs to be stamped out.

At its heart, this is just meant to be a game, but we have people carrying 2 year long grudges against each other, people who don't even play the game in the true sense, logging in, seeing their target on their battle tab, and just debuffing them to annoy them, nothing more than that.


I think if someone is really bothering u for weeks on end and doing this then yes for sure I 100% agree with u. However there is so many things to consider.
1. Did u start something and were put kos?
2. Is it a war that u do not want to finish? your legion put kos on a lot of Legions atm and I see a lot of unhappy people coming from your side since their over their head.

I been kos by many Legions in the past, all were for lame stupid excuse reasons. In a smaller Legion its hard to deal with it as a legion, but u can easily avoid it and lets be honest, a simple cm and a few emp's your way means nothing. Containment cages fixes any negative arts on u and u can easily rebuff and at the end of the day if its something that your legion is involved in and u do not want to be a part of it then u might have to leave the Legion.



The legion/s involved have no personal issues against each other whatsoever. In fact the person being spammed is friends with several of the officer/leaders of said legion.

It's just the one person, and its not the first instance of him harassing a player either...the previous which was reported several dozen times(by many of our legion) and nothing was done at the time... the player affected quit several months ago due to the constant harassment.

As to if there was an issue in the past, obviously i can only speak for myself, but if a person holds a grudge against another player beyond say a few months, then either the person is extremely petty or is just bored of the game, and as so many others put it these days... can't they just get a life.

Essentially what is occurring in this instance, is one person holding onto what i believe is an almost 18 month grudge, over something that happened in a game.

Maybe its just me and my own state of mind, but a person holding onto a grudge that long, is kinda pathetic.

Oh also, just wanna make it clear, this thread is in no way related to any of the interactions between EoTS and certain other legions atm, its a completely separate long standing issue that has arisen again, because the player found some spare time.
Author:  kirkeastment [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Chloron wrote:
Uy23e wrote:
so I don't really keep a KoS list.

You don't have a KoS list :shock: ??!!??

Come on... not even 1?


I don't have a KoS list. I'm not a fan of them, because honestly what could anyone do to me in a game, that would cause me to want to kill them every time i see them?
Author:  LPenguin [ Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
yea that is pretty bad, alert him non stop and have him stomped
Author:  Fireblade [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
LPenguin wrote:
yea that is pretty bad, alert him non stop and have him stomped



When the player is only playing the game for the sole reason to stop someone else playing what effect does that have?
Author:  itsSoulPLayAgain [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
kirkeastment wrote:
itsSoulPLayAgain wrote:
block comm, block from legion chat. Block on the forums. what more is needed?


If i spam you for the next 12 months every hour, with say a cm and 8-10 disarming bombs/emps, will all of those blocks stop me? or will i make you quit/permanently seek the protection of a calming amp/halc?

I only ask, because right now, i could do that to anyone i please, and there are no repercussions that would stop me from doing so either. I could literally make any player(that's in my range) feel like quitting/resetting just to get away from my attentions.

I'm not saying i would do it, as i'm in no way petty enough to do such a thing, but i and anyone else could if they chose.


Halc up. that much spamming is a ** move. but what would you add to this that would not be abused? I think the anti Harassment tools are all out there. its just cosrly and unfun to do.
Author:  pokerman123 [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
i do not believe in a ban for it but yes with enough proof having dan contact person from said other side getting reports and reason's from both side's leaving judgement into dan's hands if said offender doing it out of spite for x amount of time's and dan feels time is done to move on should be aloud to resort to 1 solution of making it look like that said player has a calming amp on his ship at all times towards that player even if they have 300 actions

example imgonehome having issue with tree for no reason tree hunts down imgonehome for few weeks straight non stop attacking and artifact blasting all day and night long for the whole time and imgonehome has not provoked or done anything wrong dan gets report tree has no reason except cause i can or i want to do this...

then dan place's a perma calming amp in effect on imgonehome's ship for when every tree looks at his ship making it that tree can not attack or artifact blast imgonehome's ship...

but this only last's until imgonehome strikes tree once imgonehome provokes an action towards tree this calming amp effect is taken off allowing tree to respond

hitting tree planet or even invading and so on eve if probe is used on tree's ship


sorry tree i used you as an example just the 1st ships name that came to mind :) nothing personal and as information no me and tree has never had a issue between each other so this was just an example using his name :)
Author:  DarthRavadge [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Agreed

This should be an option in certain cases. The trick is how to do it without abusing it. Somebody could claim harassment just to remove competition.
Author:  PLURVIOUS [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
OK, so how can someone harass you for weeks and months on end?

1. If you are alerted, you drop off in 2 days.
2. If you're on their BT, then you drop off in about an hour after the refresh.

Unless someone is either cheating or spending all day in their mom's basement burning through their BT.... how?
Author:  PLURVIOUS [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
OK, so how can someone harass you for weeks and months on end?

1. If you are alerted, you drop off in 2 days.
2. If you're on their BT, then you drop off in about an hour after the refresh.

Unless someone is either cheating or spending all day in their mom's basement burning through their BT.... how?
Author:  DarthRavadge [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
PLURVIOUS wrote:
OK, so how can someone harass you for weeks and months on end?

1. If you are alerted, you drop off in 2 days.
2. If you're on their BT, then you drop off in about an hour after the refresh.

Unless someone is either cheating or spending all day in their mom's basement burning through their BT.... how?


Easily, I can cycle the same targets several times per hour
Author:  Rambojr [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Agreed also...

Wow this is really disturbing ..

I could understand if some one is all pissy about their base being disabled or his precious planet got stolen and then kept on spamming Dbombs for a week or two every time they had a chance to do it and hold a grudge towards them..or when u 0 some one cause they stole ur planet and they keep on Dbombing u none stop and there is nothing that u can do about it until their actions reset..

I could understand the above facts that i posted...

But this is other issue is out of hand spamming Dbombs every time they see that person for over a year just because they can.. and our BT is not that huge at certain ranks you can cycle thry it in no time..

This needs to stop.. Dan needs to do something about it.. its just not right..Its pure abuse of the system by members..

Not trying to bring old wounds here or point fingers but look what happen to the dysos cause of a similar issues..
Author:  PLURVIOUS [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
ok, so you can spend all day playing GL and not being a productive member of society.

Good for you?

And worst case, can't someone change their ship name?
Author:  xSheDevilx [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Personally i dont like the idea of bullying.. There honestly is not many in the game.. I have seen in a different legion 1 player affected over grudge fighting.. It was over a long period of time and i wont point fingers.. I think it would be nice for those players back then to not have to deal with each other.. I think for Dan.. he could make it costly.. Gp wise and possibly make an application for it.. maybe limit how many times it can be done.. We dont want the pvp pool too small.. :twisted:

Thats my two cents.. :lol:
Author:  Cendant [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Harassment.... should it have a place?
Nearly every MMO game I have played has had some way of dealing with this. The line that is generally drawn in with prolonged interference with someone's ability to play the game.
Some banned for this.
One even had a "jail" for offenders to serve out sentences to attempt to curb or rehabilitate from abusive behaviors without having to permanently ban.
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