You want to build mining bases and you are trying to lecture me on how the game works?
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Miners Coalition |
Well, I couldn't help but to notice that of the three production abilities this one is by far the worst, hence why dedicated mining bases are very rare in this game. So I propose the following change, if it's considered the worst resource the base may as well be able to produce a shitload of minerals if it's ever used and turn a mining base into an economy powerhouse. -Miner's Coalition: Boosts base mining output by 10%, plus 2% for each loyal Miner, Explorer, Builder or Mylarai members in your legion. Lasts 20 hours, costs 5 ability points. Ability requires at least 1 loyal miner. *Edit: since Miners themselves are fairly uncommon, and their bonus is largely overlapped by Builders. I thought I'd buff the profession itself since profession is becoming part of the topic. Miner: +20% mining production. (up from +10%)* |
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| Author: | Flux [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
Change it to something like: -Miner's Coalition: Base production output increased by bonus 10% production in EM, plus 2% for each loyal Miner or Mylarai members in your legion. Lasts 24 hours, costs 5 ability points. Ability requires at least 1 loyal miner. and some would be maybe interested. |
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| Author: | blackfox [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
sounds great to me, PK has a secondary mining legion for those who want a large amount of credits |
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| Author: | Devastation [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
Flux wrote: Change it to something like: -Miner's Coalition: Base production output increased by bonus 10% production in EM, plus 2% for each loyal Miner or Mylarai members in your legion. Lasts 24 hours, costs 5 ability points. Ability requires at least 1 loyal miner. and some would be maybe interested. No, the pull of Mineral Points into actual Minerals/EM is random. I'll agree with the OP, but not this. |
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
Flux wrote: Change it to something like: -Miner's Coalition: Base production output increased by bonus 10% production in EM, plus 2% for each loyal Miner or Mylarai members in your legion. Lasts 24 hours, costs 5 ability points. Ability requires at least 1 loyal miner. and some would be maybe interested. I disagree, with what I have proposed you gain more EM anyway along with extra Credits. With what you're suggesting all you get is extra EM which for most people EM isn't what they're looking for. |
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| Author: | maxer [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
People care about mining? |
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
maxer wrote: People care about mining? Obviously not, hence why it needs a buff so it's more relevant. |
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| Author: | maxer [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
People dont care about it at current production outputs. Why do you think adding more output will change anything? |
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
Well, because as it is, you can arguably make more credits in a research base just using the contracts, and doubles for other uses such as researching and completing CT labs. So really mining bases right now are useless. So improving the output of mining bases would make it a more competitive option to go for when it comes to building up a legion if your concern is producing a ton of credits for your members. You don't quite understand how game balance works do you? |
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| Author: | maxer [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
You want to build mining bases and you are trying to lecture me on how the game works?
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| Author: | KJReed [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
Drop base amount Increase amount per person to 4 or so. Drop explorer Add em to the shipment at 4% of shipment amount Increase amount of miners required to use. |
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| Author: | KJReed [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
maxer wrote: You want to build mining bases and you are trying to lecture me on how the game works? Yep. Game balance. If miner coalition increased base output 1000% per miner I'd want one. Thats crazy, but just an example. As is they are fairly pointless. This is an attempt to make them less so. |
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
maxer wrote: You want to build mining bases and you are trying to lecture me on how the game works? Read my previous comment again bud, I'm talking about game balance, not the game itself. Generally if something is hardly ever used by the players, it's probably under powered and showing quite clearly. |
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| Author: | maxer [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
And with all that production it would still be inferior to artifact bases. |
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| Author: | maxer [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
Darky wrote: maxer wrote: You want to build mining bases and you are trying to lecture me on how the game works? Read my previous comment again bud, I'm talking about game balance, not the game itself. Generally if something is hardly ever used by the players, it's probably under powered and showing quite clearly. And my point is that your solution to increase production is pointless. People do not want mining at current production levels, more production isnt going to fix anything. |
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
maxer wrote: And with all that production it would still be inferior to artifact bases. I could argue that artifact bases are over powered. Of course I'd probably receive a ton of lashings and a pissed off mob with pitchforks and torches waging war in game against me specifically because people want their arti output to be as high as possible to continue growing their ships. Hence why I'm not suggesting to nerf them because people get pissed when something is nerfed, on the contrary people are generally happy when an underpowered option gets buffed. |
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| Author: | Darky [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
KJReed wrote: Drop base amountDown to how much? Increase amount per person to 4%? or so.Sounds reasonable. Drop explorerWith the above suggestion of increasing the amount per member, this is reasonable. I mainly placed explorer in the list to give them another use other than going on a scan run. Add em to the shipment at 4% of shipment amountI'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Increase amount of miners required to use.Miners aren't exactly a common profession in the game, so requiring more than 1 might make it a more difficult ability to use. Just my thoughts on that. So essentially you mean this? -Miner's Coalition: Boosts base mining by 4% per Miner, Builder, or Mylarai member in the legion. Lasts 20 hours. Costs 5 Ability Points. Requires at least 2 Loyal Miners in your legion. |
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| Author: | KJReed [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
maxer wrote: And with all that production it would still be inferior to artifact bases. I disagree. If a base made say 100b credits a day for each member would you still say that? Those in mining bases would need 0 mining planets, and be able to dominate all the markets. |
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| Author: | Darky [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
KJReed wrote: maxer wrote: And with all that production it would still be inferior to artifact bases. I disagree. If a base made say 100b credits a day for each member would you still say that? Those in mining bases would need 0 mining planets, and be able to dominate all the markets. Well said sir. |
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| Author: | Darth Flagitious [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Miners Coalition |
KJReed wrote: maxer wrote: And with all that production it would still be inferior to artifact bases. I disagree. If a base made say 100b credits a day for each member would you still say that? Those in mining bases would need 0 mining planets, and be able to dominate all the markets. But you can't buy Helmsmen, Brackets, XCharge and Prisoners with credits. If you have a Mining focused legion base, you're doing it wrong. |
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