Ok let me start this by saying, no personal grudges against anyone that does this, just that it is wholly unfair that it occurs.

So, we all know how base payouts work... percentage or even contribution...

I believe that percentage contribution, is meant as a way of support and thanks to the person that helped build the base, rather than a mechanism for someones own power build ship, certainly when that someone had less than 5% contributions towards a base.

What i'm talking about there, is how Namalak builds these great bases for certain players, and they are great bases to be sure.

However, what irks me, is that they are then set as percentage, by the leader whom, lets be fair, had zero to do with actually building the base, and is just sitting there taking 3 days percentage, whilst top donator... Mr Namalak himself has contributed over 90% of what the base required.

So my suggestion is this;

When a player leaves the legion, their % of the base share, is not redistributed to the next highest contributor, but is instead, equally split to everyone else in the legion(not based on percentage donated but only member count)... i.e. 50 other members... they all get 2% of that contribution.

IMO, if you truely are a training legion, or your goal is to setup training legions, you do not take 3 days percentage share for yourself off somebody else's back, unless you are the lions share donator to that base.

There are a lot more legions now with lvl 6/7/8 artifact bases, that will accept low ranked players in, and will do so on an even distribution all 7 days. It would be nice to see the Imperiums actually do the same.

I look forward to the well-thought out, rational posts that are sure to follow on this topic.

I happen to agree with you 100%. Just because the big base donors are no longer in legion doesn't mean the percentage yield should be based on what the remaining members have contributed. If you've only contributed 2% to the making of an L7 legion, you shouldn't be drawing 90% of the base's daily production.

To the first point you brought up, about the persons that take percentage shares 3 days a week, and how they somehow deserve that because they "do their job" as a leader, is just about the least reasonable answer possible, as to why they deserve a percentage share. If they can't do their job without wanting a bigger piece of the pie, so to speak, then pass it on to someone who doesn't just care about #1.

Are they really dedicated to building the base... i would imagine the % contribution stats show otherwise. I'd be amazed if any of them had even 10% contribution to those bases.

Remember, a legion of 60 getting even split 7 days a week, is stronger than a legion of 60 that gets even split 4 days a week, but doesn't know any better.

If new recruits are well informed, i trust that they are told of other legions that will offer them 7 days even split, rather than a 3/4 split?

As for this supposed "restricted percentage" you think i'm proposing, and its "inhibiting" of the Imperium leadership. Why should Imperium leaders get this wacky 4mil ap 3 days a week, for doing bugger all but showing up and doing their job as leader? It not communist mate, its what should be known as equality for all. Those leaders are no more entitled than then hundreds of people you traded with to raise the CTP for the bases you built, nor are they more entitled than the rest of their "legionmates".

As to it being a sanction against Imperium's... well i'll be honest. Indeed it is, but its also to stop those who want to benefit from it in the future.

If a player wants a percentage distribution base, let them learn that to do so is a hard thought war, and takes many a year to progress to a stage where you're actually worthy of taking that percentage... i.e. when you've actually done the hard work yourself.

A shout out to those who have built their own bases from the ground up, and rightfully take a share of what they built, but down with those who leech off of others, without truely having learned what they should from the game, instead being handed on a platter, what no single person should have the right to, when they haven't put forth the time, effort or money to do so.

I agree with the idea, but the way you put it looked like it was aimed at Namalak and the Imperiums

I do not care about the topic at hand but your claims of capitalism are hilariously bad. The reason the leaders have high production is because your legions are full of other members who gain nothing. Thats not capitalism so please stop using that word.

Someone like kirkeastment, who has been playing this game in its early stages, has fought long and hard for every last scraping he could get by. Not just to get sidestepped by some much lower rank player who's most likely and practically just "sitting" in an imperium to soak up the the artifacts. Dan made it much easier for low ranks to get stronger. With Imperiums it's possible for a rank 100 leader to get to be as strong as a rank 1k or so in a few months or so.

I believe that no one but you is entitled to what most of the imperiums produce. Those players who haven't worked hard enough to at least solo the base to level 5 shouldn't really be enjoying 4 mil from a level 7.

Not flaming you or anything nam, just pointing out an obvious exploit right there...

Capitalism creates new wealth that benefits the society. What you did was spend your resources in a way that concentrates majority of returns from your investment into a small group of people while not benefiting the rest of your legions. And, in fact, your system is probably hurting them due to a lack of information about other opportunities. This lack of information and/or understanding is what allows your select few individuals to benefit greatly at the expense of everyone else in the Imperiums. The definition you are looking for is not for capitalism but for rent seeking.

As far as doing this within the game? If the game allows for it, then it seems fine to do.

You could have been the most powerful player in the game... why do you do that? I don't understand...

...You're basically handing a few lucky players a meal fit for a king on a platinum platter...

...Tell me nam, are your leaders directly giving you anything?

I think what nam is getting at is that he runs his Imperiums sorta like a buisiness, where the high end gets all the goods and feeds off the public.

That is exactly what he is saying. And my point is that that is not capitalism. I do not have anything against what he is doing. I just have an issue with what he is choosing to call it.

You seem to claim that the % payout the reward for an Imperium leader's hard work leading a legion. If that be the case then you need to look into your leaders. A true leader always looks out for the other members to the best of their extent. Even if that means stemming their own growth just to help them out. The fact that they are accepting 4 mil a day for the minuscule amount of work they've actually done proves that they are nothing more than greedy players. They're trying to play it off by sending artifacts to players that need it within their legions but you forget about the non-sendables that they're hogging up for themselves. If you had any leader that's actually dedicated to helping others (since you say the Imperiums are training legions) then they would set the base to even split every day.

Just my two cents...

As a Member (and now Officer) of Imperium of Namalak, I can tell you that in no way are the Leaders greedy or selfish.

As the saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility. This statement applies to every legion, including the Imperiums. The leaders and officers of the Imperium alliance are some of the most responsible, mature, and friendly people I've ever met. They look after their members well, supplying them with everything they could ever need (within reason, of course). Planets, Artifacts, advice & guidance, you name it. The thing that makes all this possible, is the way our base shipments are split. One strong ship, there to protect and serve all others in the legion.

Ive got $350, 660k energy, 1M EM, and 30k ctp which is 33% of contributions in my base and ive never had to do % split to help any of the members. I also end up pouring about 90% of my credit intake into it to maintain its (now) almost 20B upkeep. I really dont see why anyone who hasnt put in the work on a base should be getting more of the split "to help their members".

Unless I am mistaken, the chance for each artifact doesnt change with level. So how does 1 person getting millions over 2-3 days help everyone, especially considering the fact that a good 30-40% of those artifact points are not sendable or shareable. I guess i am just a nice guy not looking to prey on others though. /shrug

They're not preying on others. We tell people when they walk in the door what's going to happen. If they don't agree with it, we point them to a base with 100% of the time split shipments and wish them good luck. If they choose to stay, then we supply them with anything they need.

I myself was given 8K CTP and 750 ACFs to complete Litheor. That's the kind of things our members get for giving up three days worth of shipment every week. I'd take those over a little extra shipment any day of the week.

You might not like how we do things, that's fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. Just please don't start bashing us on the forum because we do things differently to you.