Red Badge Bank for Legions?
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Chakotay
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I don't know if this has been mentioned. But Suggest of maybe allowing the base to have a red badge bank so people can donate X number of badges for the legion to scan bases with. This way everyone can chip in without drastically kill their stock pile for their badge items? How to prevent the multi I guess is the big question.  *Add Dan could add the bank as special module - Max number increase per base level?
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Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:28 am |
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KxG Ryoko
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Chakotay wrote: I don't know if this has been mentioned. But Suggest of maybe allowing the base to have a red badge bank so people can donate X number of badges for the legion to scan bases with. This way everyone can chip in without drastically kill their stock pile for their badge items? How to prevent the multi I guess is the big question.  If you limit it to X badges per person (Where X = Required badges for base scan) Also multis shouldn't be a concern as they can already base scan, this just adds a holding pen for said badges
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Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:18 am |
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Levrosh
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KxG Ryoko wrote: Chakotay wrote: I don't know if this has been mentioned. But Suggest of maybe allowing the base to have a red badge bank so people can donate X number of badges for the legion to scan bases with. This way everyone can chip in without drastically kill their stock pile for their badge items? How to prevent the multi I guess is the big question.  If you limit it to X badges per person (Where X = Required badges for base scan) Also multis shouldn't be a concern as they can already base scan, this just adds a holding pen for said badges Also, if it can be coded so that the badges are NOT extractable- only use is for scanning by a appointed legion member (each time a base is scanned) who will have access to the tank ONLY from the base scanning page. I see no problem with that.
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Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:30 am |
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Tree7304
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Or people could just be online and scan to do their part. Useless suggestion -1
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Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:11 pm |
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SpaceCaseAce
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:36 pm Posts: 379
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Levrosh wrote: KxG Ryoko wrote: Chakotay wrote: I don't know if this has been mentioned. But Suggest of maybe allowing the base to have a red badge bank so people can donate X number of badges for the legion to scan bases with. This way everyone can chip in without drastically kill their stock pile for their badge items? How to prevent the multi I guess is the big question.  If you limit it to X badges per person (Where X = Required badges for base scan) Also multis shouldn't be a concern as they can already base scan, this just adds a holding pen for said badges Also, if it can be coded so that the badges are NOT extractable- only use is for scanning by a appointed legion member (each time a base is scanned) who will have access to the tank ONLY from the base scanning page. I see no problem with that. +1 good suggestion, not useless.
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Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:54 pm |
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Tree7304 wrote: Or people could just be online and scan to do their part. Useless suggestion -1 Tree, seriously, when was the last time EotS locked a base on their own? Even if it hasn't been very long, it is not a cakewalk to do it on a regular basis. As a member of a previous scanning legion, scanning for you guys is a pain. Every spin we take on the RNG takes 2 badges. If we could have a bank for these things, we could use everyone's badges, and not just those of the people who are online, of which usually only one is scanning. It's not just about people being online or not, it's also about who knows what to lock and what not to lock, who is able to PvP effectively and who isn't, and, admittedly, to a degree, who is online. It is not easy scanning for you, which is why we left your regular rotation. I do not understand why you cannot see how this would be helpful for everyone who is not using other legions to scan for them. The legions like yours are very few, and red badges, while not exactly scarce, are not exactly a walk in the park to get. This would be very helpful to at least 98% of all of the active legions in the game, though it might not be very helpful for you. Tree7304 (yes, I have that number memorized for some reason), please remember that those at the top of the food chain are not the only ones who matter. What are cows without plants? What are plants without sunlight, carbon dioxide, and water? Everything in the chain matters. The vast majority of this particular chain would benefit from not being forced to kill so many on their own, and being able to use the previous work of others. If you still cannot see how this would be helpful, well, we're all screwed.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:31 am |
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Tree7304
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Joseph4 wrote: Tree7304 wrote: Or people could just be online and scan to do their part. Useless suggestion -1 Tree, seriously, when was the last time EotS locked a base on their own? Even if it hasn't been very long, it is not a cakewalk to do it on a regular basis. As a member of a previous scanning legion, scanning for you guys is a pain. Every spin we take on the RNG takes 2 badges. If we could have a bank for these things, we could use everyone's badges, and not just those of the people who are online, of which usually only one is scanning. It's not just about people being online or not, it's also about who knows what to lock and what not to lock, who is able to PvP effectively and who isn't, and, admittedly, to a degree, who is online. It is not easy scanning for you, which is why we left your regular rotation. I do not understand why you cannot see how this would be helpful for everyone who is not using other legions to scan for them. The legions like yours are very few, and red badges, while not exactly scarce, are not exactly a walk in the park to get. This would be very helpful to at least 98% of all of the active legions in the game, though it might not be very helpful for you. Tree7304 (yes, I have that number memorized for some reason), please remember that those at the top of the food chain are not the only ones who matter. What are cows without plants? What are plants without sunlight, carbon dioxide, and water? Everything in the chain matters. The vast majority of this particular chain would benefit from not being forced to kill so many on their own, and being able to use the previous work of others. If you still cannot see how this would be helpful, well, we're all screwed. Ahh now my opinion can't be dismissed because of how we now handle bases. Anyone remember when we were part of the triumvirate group with The Unknown, Galactic Paladins, and Dysonians? One of few groups who actually were foaming at the mouth for base fights. 30+ people online watching the base time tick slowly down. Then at free timer we would have 3 or 4 of our legions spitting out two or three scans each. Scanning is easy. Only "hard" part of scanning is if you are going for level 7 bases only. Or if you are scanning for 6s from a base that isn't level 7. Scanning is easy as long as you have a couple people helping you scan. I barely pvp but I was easily doing 5 or 6 locks a week when we used to scan. We actually got annoyed and made a rule about people not allowed I scan unless they were chosen. Really annoying when our chat would have 5 bases to look at when we only needed 1. Even before Eots, scanning was easy. Scanning is easy It's easy.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:54 am |
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Joseph4
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Tree7304 wrote: Ahh now my opinion can't (can?) be dismissed because of how we now handle bases.
Anyone remember when we were part of the triumvirate group with The Unknown, Galactic Paladins, and Dysonians? One of few groups who actually were foaming at the mouth for base fights. 30+ people online watching the base time tick slowly down. Then at free timer we would have 3 or 4 of our legions spitting out two or three scans each. Scanning is easy.
Only "hard" part of scanning is if you are going for level 7 bases only. Or if you are scanning for 6s from a base that isn't level 7.
Scanning is easy as long as you have a couple people helping you scan. I barely pvp but I was easily doing 5 or 6 locks a week when we used to scan.
We actually got annoyed and made a rule about people not allowed I scan unless they were chosen. Really annoying when our chat would have 5 bases to look at when we only needed 1.
Even before Eots, scanning was easy. Scanning is easy It's easy. Tree, not everyone is as powerful as you are. I'll just go ahead and say that. The short version because I have to go to school: Not everyone is as powerful or has as many resources at their disposal as you do Tree. Scanning bases isn't easy for many legions. TA might just be a sedentary legion, I don't know, but even when we were scanning for you guys, we only had maybe 5 willing to do so. That took its toll. I agree with ya'll's rule about that, it makes sense. Basically, please remember that others might have troubles that you don't have, and vice versa. Or they could have 20 reds saved up and just have bad luck with the RNG. It's not always the fault of the person doing the scanning. One more thing..... You said you did 5-6 locks a week. Now, what about those who had little choice in doing 7 or more because their legion wasn't very PvP active?
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:44 am |
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SpaceCaseAce
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Again, this is not a useless suggestion. People could donate reds to base scanning without actually having to scan, whats wrong with that? Also many legions have scanning set for officers and leaders only. How are the members supposed to contribute to base scanning? Not to mention most of the smaller, low ranked legions have to spend 5 reds per scan instead of 2, having a red badge bank could help these legions stockpile reds to use for scanning.
Tree, at your current rank, you were probably already a high ranked ship when bases were put into the game, so you have no idea what scanning at low lvls is like do you? Your view is 1 sided.
Again +1 to this idea, its a great idea and shouldn't be difficult for dan.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:06 pm |
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Tree7304
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I was a very low rank in a legion not top 50 that used 3 reds to scan when the base fights started so yea don't assume much about about me. I actually had to work with other people in my legions to get scans done. I wasn't some low rank crying for an easier time of it because believe it or not, there was a time where we all had to work for what we wanted and didn't sit around waiting for a rank 1k+ to swoop in and make it easy for us.
If you don't the means to scan for bases then you don't deserve to do base fights.
This suggestion is a giant crutch for legions who aren't active. Sorry your legion isn't active but if you want a legion that actively hunts bases then you need to move legions or inspire change in yours.
Officers/leaders only scanning there are 2 ways to fix that. 1 teach your members when its appropriate to scan 2 temporarily promote a member to officer so they can scan for ya at that time
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:14 pm |
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SpaceCaseAce
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Tree7304 wrote: I was a very low rank in a legion not top 50 that used 3 reds to scan when the base fights started so yea don't assume much about about me. I actually had to work with other people in my legions to get scans done.
This idea doesnt change that.people still have to work with others.duh!
I wasn't some low rank crying for an easier time of it because believe it or not, there was a time where we all had to work for what we wanted and didn't sit around waiting for a rank 1k+ to swoop in and make it easy for us.
This idea doesnt change this either.People still have to work for their red badges so this statement is crap.Also, if there was a red badge bank, ALL members could contribute reds to scanning and wouldnt have to rely on the high ranks to do it for them.This suggestion isnt about making scanning easier, its more a suggestion that allows ALL legion members to contribute to scanning by donating some of their red badges.. And who the F is crying? Someone made a suggestion, others are discussing it, how is that crying?
If you don't the means to scan for bases then you don't deserve to do base fights.
Well, to add reds to the red badge bank, means you have the means, so again a crap statement by tree.
This suggestion is a giant crutch for legions who aren't active. Sorry your legion isn't active but if you want a legion that actively hunts bases then you need to move legions or inspire change in yours.
Im in PA, we are plenty active so tree is sticking with his pattern of crap statements. And yes, there are many legions out there that are not fully active.Many legions have a more casual playstyle. Are you saying these legions are not worthy of base scanning? crap crap crap.
Officers/leaders only scanning there are 2 ways to fix that. 1 teach your members when its appropriate to scan 2 temporarily promote a member to officer so they can scan for ya at that time
There are officer, leader and member positions for a reason.To separate those who are more knowledgeable in the legion from those who are not. Im sure every legions tries to teach their players things like this but as we all know, some people learn faster than others. You wouldn't have to promote and demote members just to scan if there was a red badge bank.People could still contribute without actually having to scan. Trees arguments of this suggestion are nothing more than a bunch of self righteous BS.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:55 pm |
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SpaceCaseAce
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:36 pm Posts: 379
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Levrosh wrote: KxG Ryoko wrote: Chakotay wrote: I don't know if this has been mentioned. But Suggest of maybe allowing the base to have a red badge bank so people can donate X number of badges for the legion to scan bases with. This way everyone can chip in without drastically kill their stock pile for their badge items? How to prevent the multi I guess is the big question.  If you limit it to X badges per person (Where X = Required badges for base scan) Also multis shouldn't be a concern as they can already base scan, this just adds a holding pen for said badges Also, if it can be coded so that the badges are NOT extractable- only use is for scanning by a appointed legion member (each time a base is scanned) who will have access to the tank ONLY from the base scanning page. I see no problem with that. +1
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:00 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
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All you need is an active legion with a few members able to scan at any time of the day and someone who knows what to lock.
If you are having trouble because you can't keep up with the reds then maybe you need more pvp players in your legion. RNG kicks your ass every time, maybe you need stronger players so that you can take on stronger bases so that more of them are on the lock list.
This makes it too easy, a random low rank can come in and dump their reds and leave. Even if loyalty was needed to be able to contribute it is not the same as having them be an active loyal member for each scan.
Scanning is easy if you have an active legion with many players able to contribute to scanning at all times of the day. I know back in crimson corporation it wasn't the case, but we made due with fewer bases because of it. I would scan when I was on and that was good enough.
If you think you deserve to be able to scan 3 times a day then you should have the red badges AND active members to use them when the time is needed, not one or the other.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:42 pm |
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Tree7304
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SpaceCaseAce wrote: This idea doesnt change that.people still have to work with others.duh! Actually it does lessen the amount of teamwork needed. People should be online actively helping to get a base scanned and locked.
This idea doesnt change this either.People still have to work for their red badges so this statement is crap.Also, if there was a red badge bank, ALL members could contribute reds to scanning and wouldnt have to rely on the high ranks to do it for them.This suggestion isnt about making scanning easier, its more a suggestion that allows ALL legion members to contribute to scanning by donating some of their red badges.. And who the F is crying? Someone made a suggestion, others are discussing it, how is that crying? ALL members can already contribute to scanning. Who relies on high ranks for scanning? I said I was never crying so yea read more carefully. If someone wants to try and dismiss my opinion just because I am a high rank in the top legion then they are poorly mistaken.
Well, to add reds to the red badge bank, means you have the means, so again a crap statement by tree. If you don't earn the red badges then you don't earn the right to scan a duh.
Im in PA, we are plenty active so tree is sticking with his pattern of crap statements. And yes, there are many legions out there that are not fully active.Many legions have a more casual playstyle. Are you saying these legions are not worthy of base scanning? crap crap crap.
Oh more casual playstyles are fine but you can't have the rewards without the work so your statement is total crap crap crap. I don't like to do stuff like PvP but I should still get to scan bases??? Total crap.
There are officer, leader and member positions for a reason.To separate those who are more knowledgeable in the legion from those who are not. Im sure every legions tries to teach their players things like this but as we all know, some people learn faster than others. You wouldn't have to promote and demote members just to scan if there was a red badge bank.People could still contribute without actually having to scan. Yea I don't care about what others view officer/leader rolls as in their legions since it doesn't affect me and really isn't any of my business. Your legion chooses who can scan, that doesn't hold any weight to this argument.
Trees arguments of this suggestion are nothing more than a bunch of self righteous BS. Trees arguments come from him having to actually work towards getting his previous legions to scan for bases. Coordination required like oh I don't know, finding Australian players able to be online during the late hours and able to handle scanning for a base to keep a rolling lock system rolling... If you want something like bases then get your legion in shape for it or go find a new legion.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:13 pm |
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SpaceCaseAce
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Tree7304 wrote: SpaceCaseAce wrote: This idea doesnt change that.people still have to work with others.duh! Actually it does lessen the amount of teamwork needed. People should be online actively helping to get a base scanned and locked.
This idea doesnt change this either.People still have to work for their red badges so this statement is crap.Also, if there was a red badge bank, ALL members could contribute reds to scanning and wouldnt have to rely on the high ranks to do it for them.This suggestion isnt about making scanning easier, its more a suggestion that allows ALL legion members to contribute to scanning by donating some of their red badges.. And who the F is crying? Someone made a suggestion, others are discussing it, how is that crying? ALL members can already contribute to scanning. Who relies on high ranks for scanning? I said I was never crying so yea read more carefully. If someone wants to try and dismiss my opinion just because I am a high rank in the top legion then they are poorly mistaken.
Well, to add reds to the red badge bank, means you have the means, so again a crap statement by tree. If you don't earn the red badges then you don't earn the right to scan a duh.
Im in PA, we are plenty active so tree is sticking with his pattern of crap statements. And yes, there are many legions out there that are not fully active.Many legions have a more casual playstyle. Are you saying these legions are not worthy of base scanning? crap crap crap.
Oh more casual playstyles are fine but you can't have the rewards without the work so your statement is total crap crap crap. I don't like to do stuff like PvP but I should still get to scan bases??? Total crap.
There are officer, leader and member positions for a reason.To separate those who are more knowledgeable in the legion from those who are not. Im sure every legions tries to teach their players things like this but as we all know, some people learn faster than others. You wouldn't have to promote and demote members just to scan if there was a red badge bank.People could still contribute without actually having to scan. Yea I don't care about what others view officer/leader rolls as in their legions since it doesn't affect me and really isn't any of my business. Your legion chooses who can scan, that doesn't hold any weight to this argument.
Trees arguments of this suggestion are nothing more than a bunch of self righteous BS. Trees arguments come from him having to actually work towards getting his previous legions to scan for bases. Coordination required like oh I don't know, finding Australian players able to be online during the late hours and able to handle scanning for a base to keep a rolling lock system rolling... If you want something like bases then get your legion in shape for it or go find a new legion. I still dont see how this makes everything too easy. Bases still have to be coordinated to lock and disable. This really doesnt change that. The only problem I see is that people could join a legion temporarily, wait until loyal, add badges then leave the legion. It has already been suggested that there should be a limit to how many badges a person can donate and if you add limits to how often each person can donate, say only once a week or once every 2 weeks then this should not be a problem.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:42 pm |
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Wolfy Minion
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SpaceCaseAce wrote: I still dont see how this makes everything too easy. Bases still have to be coordinated to lock and disable. This really doesnt change that. The only problem I see is that people could join a legion temporarily, wait until loyal, add badges then leave the legion. It has already been suggested that there should be a limit to how many badges a person can donate and if you add limits to how often each person can donate, say only once a week or once every 2 weeks then this should not be a problem. Bases are one of the few things in the game that require coordination within a legion. This removes a very vital part of that. Not only don't you have to be on to help scan, you don't even have to press the button or vet the base at all. The way it is now is fine, get more active people to scan or hit fewer bases. Red badges shouldn't be transferable in any matter, they are earned not given.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:15 pm |
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SpaceCaseAce
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Wolfy Minion wrote: SpaceCaseAce wrote: I still dont see how this makes everything too easy. Bases still have to be coordinated to lock and disable. This really doesnt change that. The only problem I see is that people could join a legion temporarily, wait until loyal, add badges then leave the legion. It has already been suggested that there should be a limit to how many badges a person can donate and if you add limits to how often each person can donate, say only once a week or once every 2 weeks then this should not be a problem. Bases are one of the few things in the game that require coordination within a legion. This removes a very vital part of that. Not only don't you have to be on to help scan, you don't even have to press the button or vet the base at all. The way it is now is fine, get more active people to scan or hit fewer bases. Red badges shouldn't be transferable in any matter, they are earned not given. Well, we should just agree to disagree, we have discussed our views enough here.Anyone else have opinions?
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:24 pm |
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Chakotay
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SpaceCaseAce wrote: Wolfy Minion wrote: SpaceCaseAce wrote: I still dont see how this makes everything too easy. Bases still have to be coordinated to lock and disable. This really doesnt change that. The only problem I see is that people could join a legion temporarily, wait until loyal, add badges then leave the legion. It has already been suggested that there should be a limit to how many badges a person can donate and if you add limits to how often each person can donate, say only once a week or once every 2 weeks then this should not be a problem. Bases are one of the few things in the game that require coordination within a legion. This removes a very vital part of that. Not only don't you have to be on to help scan, you don't even have to press the button or vet the base at all. The way it is now is fine, get more active people to scan or hit fewer bases. Red badges shouldn't be transferable in any matter, they are earned not given. Well, we should just agree to disagree, we have discussed our views enough here.Anyone else have opinions? Is anyone else tired of these Trolls? Red badges are earned not given? WTF. If you think hitting a ship on Bt that isn't moving or online is earning? If you want to get silver badges you have to be online. This idea doesn't threaten any of that. NUMBER ONE REASON IS NOT FOR NOT HAVING NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ONLINE TO SCAN. FS. PA is pull bases constantly. It for the part where I missed every base tonight. I would like to give some badges to the legion to help on the scanning. Teamwork/Legion not selfishness, stat whoring. But I just guess not everyone gets it. 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:18 am |
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Wolfy Minion
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Chakotay wrote: NUMBER ONE REASON IS NOT FOR NOT HAVING NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ONLINE TO SCAN. FS. PA is pull bases constantly. It for the part where I missed every base tonight. I would like to give some badges to the legion to help on the scanning. Teamwork/Legion not selfishness, stat whoring. But I just guess not everyone gets it.  You are NOT online, not active enough...kind of the point we keep making. You are the problem not the legionmates who are online and can scan if they had the reds. You want to be more helpful...be online more. Problem solved. Honestly with how often you claim to be too busy for the game, how are you still in PA?
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:02 am |
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Chakotay
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Everyone is less active than you Wolfy and your 4 partners.
But seriously we know your opinion on this. You can move along.
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