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Author:  Fear [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  24/7 online?
There are a few who come ridiculously close to this... I'm not going to mention names... I'm not saying they are cheating....

In point of fact I raised the issue on one to Dan and no action was taken. Conclusion it ain't cheating.

Conclusion - it is sad and mentally unhealthy though.

Suggestion - we should have a meaningful timer where we CANNOT play the game individually... a 4 hour window where the player is forced to go away...

before you instinctively scream no!! 99.9% of us are AFK at least four hours while we sleep...

I'll admit this partly suggested due to the fact that the one person is a serious PITA who can rarely as in extremely be found offline to be taken down, but putting that aside its a good idea anyway.

Someone who is on that much is addicted if its not cheating.

Make it an individual timer, but once every 24 hours, a 4 hour period of inactivity must be present.
Author:  umbongo [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
From a dev point of view ( and a player p.o.v.) terrible, terrible idea.

I know what's a good idea... Let's tell my user base to stop playing.

-10000000.....
Author:  Fear [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
umbongo wrote:
From a dev point of view ( and a player p.o.v.) terrible, terrible idea.

I know what's a good idea... Let's tell my user base to stop playing.

-10000000.....


sigh one could wish you would read better :).

I didnt say stop playing. I said no activity for 4 hours. There's a difference which 99.9% does already.

From the dev pov, lol it shuts down people pointing how in hell is someone on that much, because its a common claim of a indicator someone is cheating.
Author:  Tree7304 [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
I think it's kinda naive to assume they are online 24/7

It's most likely someone with a similar schedule as you. Who happens to be on when you are.
Someone with a lot of down time at work with access to a computer.
You found someone who is laid up in bed for a week bc of health issues.

The only way for you to know if someone is online that long is to be online that long as well.

I tried to kill him at 10am 12:30 2pm 3pm again at 5pm then from 7pm to 8pm.
He or she is online too much.
Author:  Fear [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
Tree7304 wrote:
I think it's kinda naive to assume they are online 24/7

It's most likely someone with a similar schedule as you. Who happens to be on when you are.
Someone with a lot of down time at work with access to a computer.
You found someone who is laid up in bed for a week bc of health issues.

The only way for you to know if someone is online that long is to be online that long as well.

I tried to kill him at 10am 12:30 2pm 3pm again at 5pm then from 7pm to 8pm.
He or she is online too much.



No, you are forgetting a few things:

1. Snooze alerts.. I don't have to be online to know that 4 hours ago I was disabled by So and So because the log tells me so :)
2. 24/7 is a slight misnomer. But when the person's resources are picked up every hour it seems, then yes some portion of each hour they are online...
3. Most importantly, you've forgotten its not just necessarily ONE person checking. LOL a prime instance is someone who is alerted - you can have up to 60 guys in your crew checking.

Note i'm not saying they are cheating. Not my call for one thing.
Author:  Shinar [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
Fear wrote:
There are a few who come ridiculously close to this... I'm not going to mention names... I'm not saying they are cheating....

In point of fact I raised the issue on one to Dan and no action was taken. Conclusion it ain't cheating.

Conclusion - it is sad and mentally unhealthy though.

Suggestion - we should have a meaningful timer where we CANNOT play the game individually... a 4 hour window where the player is forced to go away...

before you instinctively scream no!! 99.9% of us are AFK at least four hours while we sleep...

I'll admit this partly suggested due to the fact that the one person is a serious PITA who can rarely as in extremely be found offline to be taken down, but putting that aside its a good idea anyway.

Someone who is on that much is addicted if its not cheating.

Make it an individual timer, but once every 24 hours, a 4 hour period of inactivity must be present.


My general attitude is that if someone is more addicted to Galaxy Legion than I (and I am a guy who wakes up in the middle of the night to dump resources and zero someone I am feuding with), then they deserve everything they earn for that dedication. When I say they deserve everything they earn, I include not getting disabled/zeroed by me/my legion, various physical issues for being at their computer that much (I, for example, have well-deserved carpel tunnel syndrome), and general lack of a social life (contributing to their psychological health). They might be annoying, but I do not feel like legislating their time when I figure God, nature, and/or karma will take care of them.

Edit: On the other hand, like you say, I doubt a mandatory four hour no-play time would affect my play much even if I wake up in the middle of the night to zero someone, but I just do not think the idea is worth taking away from Dan's programming time.
Author:  Tree7304 [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
I've had people cry and moan about members in Eots more than a few times.
So and so is always online blah blah etc.

It's always garbage. Always.
I get a complaint that *insert minion name* is always online.
I ask in chat for said minion - no response
I check the legion page, legion page says they are offline for 2 hours
I talk to them an hour later and they are complaining about spending the day moving furniture.

I'd say 99/100 times it's someone getting really worked up over it and having an emotional response to the situation.

By all means resource probe the person you are having problems with and message them to us every time you check.
Then when you fail to present proof that their resources are dumped every hour you can retract your statement.
Author:  Fear [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
Tree7304 wrote:
I've had people cry and moan about members in Eots more than a few times.
So and so is always online blah blah etc.

It's always garbage. Always.
I get a complaint that *insert minion name* is always online.
I ask in chat for said minion - no response
I check the legion page, legion page says they are offline for 2 hours
I talk to them an hour later and they are complaining about spending the day moving furniture.

I'd say 99/100 times it's someone getting really worked up over it and having an emotional response to the situation.

By all means resource probe the person you are having problems with and message them to us every time you check.
Then when you fail to present proof that their resources are dumped every hour you can retract your statement.


Hmm Tree it must be before your 1st cup of coffee today.

First - I said in my original post I'm not saying someone is cheating...

Second - I have NOT identified anyone specifically let alone their legion. I don't care for a flame war nor do I care for a lock simply because accusations are improperly bandied about.

I said it last night before the mods edited a thread and i'll say it again since I don't believe my statement was the cause of the editing.

You guys are OVERLY sensitive. Whether its Cen or Kirk or who ever else, anytime someone mentions EOTS directly there is a complaint of "DONT MENTION US!!!!!".

At least there was till that part of the thread got deleted.

You know you have a bunch of people that stand out for various reasons. You have a bunch of aggressive pvpers as well as a few who have the attitude you can ONLY badge me back without arts or DIE. First off when the ship is mega superior, no one is going to do that... I guess they take pride in their stats or whatever... So you have people that aggravate people deliberately...

I DON'T CARE.

I'm going to go after those who go after me as I see fit. I could not care a rat's arse about how so and so has more APH than me or more NPC kills than me. If anything I think its great that someone does as it means more is possible.

BUT YOU and some others over there are obviously upset at the consequences of your status. Since you are a courteous fellow I will censor my thoughts to translate as GET REAL.

Either accept that to be #1 means some people are going to resent you or be willing to go to #2.

Either accept that when you have aggressive PVPers who sometimes get a little twisty on their justifications that your crew is going to piss people OR hey, tell the pvpers in question to stop it.

You have some great guys n gals over there too. You know in my posts about EOTs I have been largely neutral and have on occasion praised members of yours. I have a number of personal friends over there LONG term. On the flip side I often battle yours because I do do badge returns and nope I don't mind hunting big game on the bt in addition to the small game. So don't write this off as he hates us.

honestly, most of you affect me little one way or the other.

Now to do something I confess I had not figured on doing anytime soon, I'm going to state what Cendant said last night in a now gone post.... Can we please get off EOTS and return to the original subject of the thread?

thanks much.
Author:  Tree7304 [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
I accept our situation and this is obviously directed at you know who.
I don't have to lay down and just let people say what they want.

Again, not upset, why you insist on deciding our emotional status is beyond me.

You don't get to decide how much play time is too much.
I reject this idea entirely. The night I get woken up bc the neighbour is comin home drunk and I can't check on GL bc there is some time limit on playtime is the day I stop playing.

Obsessive and addicted are more to do with your state of mind. I need to dump resources is not the same as well I might as well dump resources from my phone while waiting for the bus to show up.

Try to convince ICBLF to raid less because he has an unhealthy addiction.
Author:  kirkeastment [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
-1 to the idea of there being a limit to the amount of time we can play this game per day.

I don't play 24 hours a day at the moment, but if i did play for 20 hours, I would like the ability during my 4 hours of sleep, to wake up for a base, tap it then go back to sleep.

I see where you are coming from on the health side. I for one couldn't play for more than 6-7 hours at a time, and definitely nowhere near 20 hours a day.

However even at 6-7 hours a day, I'm certain i would be putting my health at risk. In fact don't consumer gaming electronics come with the warning about playing longer than 2 hours without rest(rest being 15-20 min break)?

Well I'm well past that at the moment, having played 4 hours without taking a 15-20 min break.

To cut a long explanation short, if we're going to talk about health reasons, we should be forcibly removed from the game every 2 hours, but since no one in their right mind as a game developer/creator/owner would do that, i kinda see this as a moot point.


Also, since you don't want to bring up names, I'll bring up names. I know for one that Jormungandr clears his resources every hour between 6am-1am... i dunno about the hours inbetween, as i ain't staying up later than that unless its new years.

Now i've never once reported him for this, because quite frankly what he wishes to do is his prerogative, and since i have no proof of him doing anything wrong either way, i can name drop Jormungandr as much as i would like to, because i'm not making an accusatory post, i'm simply using as an example, a player who is seemingly online, to collect at least... 19 hours a day.


Quote:
There are a few who come ridiculously close to this... I'm not going to mention names... I'm not saying they are cheating....

In point of fact I raised the issue on one to Dan and no action was taken. Conclusion it ain't cheating.


Now onto subject matter. When people make "unclear" statements, with hints towards the fact that they know people who are online for 20 hours a day(or close to it), and they do not mention names; it isn't a leap for a legion(whom you are currently alerted within, and are also currently having an issue with a certain player in that legion, who is online quite often) to assume you are doing so in order to bring those people to the thread with your rhetoric of apparently "several" players collecting every hour.

As i said, if it's not an accusation of cheating, nor an accusation of any wrong doing whatsoever, there is no reason to not name names.
Author:  Fear [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
Tree7304 wrote:
I accept our situation and this is obviously directed at you know who.
I don't have to lay down and just let people say what they want.

Again, not upset, why you insist on deciding our emotional status is beyond me.

You don't get to decide how much play time is too much.
I reject this idea entirely. The night I get woken up bc the neighbour is comin home drunk and I can't check on GL bc there is some time limit on playtime is the day I stop playing.

Obsessive and addicted are more to do with your state of mind. I need to dump resources is not the same as well I might as well dump resources from my phone while waiting for the bus to show up.

Try to convince ICBLF to raid less because he has an unhealthy addiction.


Never said you had to lay down as well you know.

When you guys complain because someone says your group is more powerful, then yes someone is upset. When you assume we're talking about someone in your legion when in fact NO mention has been made of a particular player or legion, let alone yours, then yes someone is upset. Lol would you prefer self conscious and/or self absorbed?

Obviously I don't get to decide how much play time is too much. HENCE THE SUGGESTION in terms of opening a discussion. In the suggestions forum no less... sigh.

LOL raids are a topic for another day as once again you are thread jacking the post, even as you avoid mentioning your crew directly.

If you don't like the idea the easiest way to let it die is just stop posting.

If you're going to characterize my posts and positions please don't complain if you feel I am characterizing yours :P

Kirk I can't stop you from bringing up names. that's your prerogerative. Sometimes things that are worthy of discussion are NOT worthy of implementation. That may be the case here as one of your colleagues seems unable to accept.

Btw thank you for pointing out to Tree however indirectly that yes there could possibly be someone else besides EOTS who it might be applicable to. I'm not saying I'm talking about JORM lol btw. I just am tired of hearing EOTS EOTS EOTS it must be EOTS.
Author:  S.Hawking [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 24/7 online?
Again? In the future let's discuss the merits of suggestions rather than inferring things?

Thank you.
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