Krionite Torpedo
Somewhat rare but....

Personally, when I PvP, about 20% of the effort goes into finding proper target(probe and tap people to avoid halc as much as possible, and sometimes run into targets that only had 1 or two traps that I thought is unlikely to be hacled but are etc)
30% goes into shield
and finally 50% goes into hull

If I already spent half the effort, why won't I get the red?

But also, this will decrease the value of 'disable' (only for red)

as a hi-ranking well developed player who has SSB i appreciate the generosity of your suggestion.

yellows eventually based on the reward system have a greater and lasting value than red badges... so it doesn't bother me that they cost more on occasion.

That leaves aside those you find dead on your BT or as seem legions like to do en masse, the vulture raid... you know when a guy is alerted, taken out and everyone who needs a yellow goes for it on the spot?...

Speaking as a yellow badge contributor as well as occasional buyer, I like doing the deed as it were to get the badge and I like making people work for it hard.

i'm a physicist

As it stands, to be able to raid, your target's hull must be below 10. Not 10%, just 10.
Maybe change it up a little so that it's something like < 50%?

Heh, on one hand, I was hoping the change would encourage more people (particularly people closer to my rank/strength) to retaliate. On the other hand, the real "generosity" of the suggestion was so that I would have to disable less ships. Both because I am tired of running into TM limit for kills when I want raids as well as because I really do not feel like disabling players 3+ days in a row. I can imagine that if I am tired of disabling the same people, they are tired of seeing me disable them. Perhaps, this suggestion is just me looking for something new in PvP.
In terms of content I think most people like new things at least initially as we hunger for more so its understandable we try to help Dan fill the void as it were


I am not sure I understand what you mean here; could you expand on it? If you mean the current system encourages discipline and hard work, then I agree and that reasoning is one of the reasons I was hesitant to recommend the change.
That's part of it, but candidly the CK69 while being of more value than the triblasters in terms of the ability is not the only good mod anymore than the raid boosters. The dispatch centers and upgrades are terrific planet mods imho


Actually, that counter argument is something I had considered. I just figured that the red would be sufficient reward for the aggressor and that being forced to keep one's shields up in addition to hull would increase the challenge/fun for the defender.
yellows do not penalize the person raided beyond resources lost so perhaps I am being unfair in my position or old fashioned but i still like it in terms of it works

Not sure what that meant in relation to the original post's comments on Krionite Torpedos.


Hmm, unless I am misunderstanding you, I do not put nearly as much effort in to "finding proper target" as you do. Also, I was under the impression that on average, when forced to choose modules, most ships lean toward hull over shields and with XCharge giving half the amount brackets do, shields are often about half or less of hull. For me the finding/shield/hull split is closer to 10% (at most)/30%/60%. Why I would not spend the 60% extra effort (beyond my extraordinary laziness) would be 1) Some might not need reds/kills (we can get reds without yellows, so now we would be able to get yellows without reds), 2) hopes of getting through shields and raiding before tripping halcs (again, making shields more valuable), 3) not wasting my action count on disables when I want yellows, etc. (I could probably come up with more, but those are the ones that popped in to my head in the first few seconds.)

Only change I would consider making to raids is you have a 5 minute window to raid someone after you disable them.
Only because it's not quite fair for someone with a slower connection who just killed you but in the 3 seconds it takes for them to use a TM then click raid, you've repaired.

If you want to raid after the shields are down then there should be a penalty based on the amount of hull is left.
Fully disabling would still have a purpose to increase your chance of raiding.

I just think it's not a very good idea... until the ship is disabled and unable to fight back, why should you be able to raid them and steal their stuff? Just makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Bases on your posts, the premise for your idea seems laziness -1
If you had suggested a purple badge or something for say "neutralizing" a percent of an enemy ships hull or something like that, an option available after a ships shields are down, then I might be behind something along the lines of that

The torpedo instantly depletes shield which allows a direct raid regardless of target strength. Not particularly fair for some of the well built ships(or SSB ones)

If you want to raid after the shields are down then there should be a penalty based on the amount of hull is left.
Fully disabling would still have a purpose to increase your chance of raiding.

-1. The point of raids is to get them AFTER the ship is disabled. If you can't be bothered to kill the person yourself, wait for someone else to do it for you.

Pirates during Colonial times often raided ships. This we all know. But pirates would not destroy the target ship. Instead, they would weaken their defenses just enought to safely board the target ship (not necessarily destroying it).

Point is a ship didn't have to be "disabled" to be raided.

despite hacking being easier ... there are only 29 current holders of The Elite medal (neglecting those who have reset or otherwise disappeared) ... while there have been 66 leaderboard Marauders to date.