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Ok, first a summary of the EM costs of the Legion missions:

Vorean Extinction - Task 3: 135k EM
The Xathe Vortex - Task 2: 120k EM / Task 3: purgers
The Siladon Event - Task 3: 100k EM
Disturbance at Ryelis - Task 3: 160k EM
The Ardyne Sabotage - Task 1: 320k EM / Task 3: purgers
Carjean: The Heist - Task 4: 140k EM (optional)
The Cerulean Conclave - Task 3: 100k EM / Task 2: purgers
Roathir: Diplomatic Resolution - Task 2: 120k EM / Task 3: 320k EM

I don't see how this is going to be sustainable on the long run, unless people stop making purgers (which are also needed for some missions)... also new missions are coming, and probably some of them will require more EM.

I'm personally spending way more than I'm getting and I have already used all my ctp to stockpile EM, but unless I stop making purgers (which I don't want to), at some point I will be unable to do many of the missions above.

I think something needs to be changed (either reducing the EM costs or increasing the EM income from mineral pulls maybe?)

Anyway, just saying... maybe I'm wrong and people have millions of EM on reserve :) (If so, please sell it to me! :).

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Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:06 pm
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maybe... you could do the other missions some times? Doing the em missions back to back to back to back isn't, i think, what dans trying to make happen

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Try to think long term and legion-oriented basis... you need 10 people on each task to have decent chances to success.

You could rotate all you want, and choose other tasks... but still, doesn't change the fact that ever time someone gets this mission, you will need to spend several million EM (as a legion), unless you don't care about failing.

I know I can rotate, or just don't make purgers... but that doesn't change the amount of EM that is going to be spent from now on.

I don't think there is going to be enough EM around to sustain this costs .


Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:35 pm
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Sharnhorst wrote:
I don't think there is going to be enough EM around to sustain this costs .


It is enough and will be...
You need simple to increase your mineral production and/or find seller of EM.
I would bet, that Dan's intention is clear = mineral production thru EM demand is back in the game as very valuable resource to balance the "AP fever".

Almost unlimited resources in limited GL world needs to be balanced. Like it or dislike... so it did happen.

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but unless I stop making purgers (which I don't want to)


Then keep making purgers and quit whining that you can't do everything you want all the time.

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With 57k minerals I earn around 1300 em per hour.

So that's 31,200 em per day.

I think that should be a sustainable amount for me to do any task, even working on a rotation.

As mentioned above, if it gets tight, I can skip that task until my next rotation.

I will agree with the sentiment though, which is "stop making purgers". At the very least stop making purgers with your own produced em.

I've been whoring on purger mission for ages(40k completions) and am prep working for my 3 year medal, but my em supply is like 260k atm, so that's me done for good now with the purger mission. Buying isn't an option at the current prices, and my aph gives me enough purgers to scan when I like anyway, more would just be annoying.


Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:58 pm
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but unless I stop making purgers (which I don't want to)


Then keep making purgers and quit whining that you can't do everything you want all the time.


Nah I don't really need to... I'm just concerned about the game as a whole. And you fail to understand game mechanics :)

but I'm not here to school you, just pointing out what I see as a flaw.


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And you fail to understand game mechanics


You're the one who thinks you should be able to keep making purgers and never need to use EM on anything else :roll:

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And you fail to understand game mechanics


You're the one who thinks you should be able to keep making purgers and never need to use EM on anything else :roll:



I can continue making purgers and completing any mission I want.. as an individual. That is not my concern.

But maybe I wasn't clear... think about the amount of people on a Legion, and how much EM will be spent every time one of those missions triggers. Then multiply that for the amount of Legions legible for that mission, and see how fast all the EM in the galaxy disappears in thin air :P

Anyway... time will tell.


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Sharnhorst wrote:
And you fail to understand game mechanics


You're the one who thinks you should be able to keep making purgers and never need to use EM on anything else :roll:



I can continue making purgers and completing any mission I want.. as an individual. That is not my concern.

But maybe I wasn't clear... think about the amount of people on a Legion, and how much EM will be spent every time one of those missions triggers. Then multiply that for the amount of Legions legible for that mission, and see how fast all the EM in the galaxy disappears in thin air :P

Anyway... time will tell.


If only there was a way to keep it from disappearing, or to make more....

Nope, couldn't be. Soon there will be no more EM left anywhere for anyone and that'll be the end of the game.

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If only there was a way to keep it from disappearing, or to make more....

Nope, couldn't be. Soon there will be no more EM left anywhere for anyone and that'll be the end of the game.



Finally man, you were slow but you managed to grasp the concept :D Congratulations!


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If only there was a way to keep it from disappearing, or to make more....

Nope, couldn't be. Soon there will be no more EM left anywhere for anyone and that'll be the end of the game.



Finally man, you were slow but you managed to grasp the concept :D Congratulations!


I can't tell if that's sarcasm or if you're an idiot. A thing or two in my post was actually false information.

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Sharnhorst wrote:
Arbiter wrote:
If only there was a way to keep it from disappearing, or to make more....

Nope, couldn't be. Soon there will be no more EM left anywhere for anyone and that'll be the end of the game.



Finally man, you were slow but you managed to grasp the concept :D Congratulations!


I can't tell if that's sarcasm or if you're an idiot. A thing or two in my post was actually false information.


Well I'm just looking at your previous posts and it is clear what you are :)

So I will not waste any more time with you. if you really can't tell if my post was sarcasm or not, then it won't be possible for me to explain to you why EM costs are too high :)

So I'll let you have the last word, I already said all I had to say.


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A legion with combined 1m mining/hour should be ale to gather 550k e.m. daily give or take. Legion mission every 3 days gives 1.65m. Average legion mission takes 168k e.m. so they come out almost even if you get 10 people per mission.
That's around 20k mining per member. Increase the average mining by 10k and you get a surplus of 267k e.m daily
Figures for a 50 man legion.


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Yes, all you had to say was that you want to be able to do everything all the time, and for some reason you insist that is a good point. Quit whining that you can't do everything or go play some kids games somewhere else.

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A legion with combined 1m mining/hour should be ale to gather 550k e.m. daily give or take. Legion mission every 3 days gives 1.65m. Average legion mission takes 168k e.m. so they come out almost even if you get 10 people per mission.
That's around 20k mining per member. Increase the average mining by 10k and you get a surplus of 267k e.m daily
Figures for a 50 man legion.


You forgot the Purgers though, he also NEEDS to make tons of Purgers all the time or the game is doomed.

And you forgot that everyone must do these missions; your "10 people per mission" is far short of the "50 people per mission" that is required.

The numbers just don't add up, especially since there is no way to get more EM, or to avoid spending it on Legion Missions and Purgers.

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A legion with combined 1m mining/hour should be ale to gather 550k e.m. daily give or take. Legion mission every 3 days gives 1.65m. Average legion mission takes 168k e.m. so they come out almost even if you get 10 people per mission.
That's around 20k mining per member. Increase the average mining by 10k and you get a surplus of 267k e.m daily
Figures for a 50 man legion.


Do you really think that's the average of each Legion in the game? or you talking about the top 10? A lot of people don't log more than once a day and have less than 20k mining production, or just cap mining too quick.

Also keep in mind 3 different missions require a considerable amount of purgers:

The Cerulean Conclave - Task 3: 100k EM / Task 2: purgers
The Ardyne Sabotage - Task 1: 320k EM / Task 3: purgers
The Xathe Vortex - Task 2: 120k EM / Task 3: purgers

Again - maybe I wasn't clear - this is not a personal concern... I have more than 6k purgers and 5m EM on cargo, and I plan to continue playing just as usual, but I think the costs are too high compared to previous missions.

Obviously not saying that the EM is going to extinguish, but I can see people struggling with the new missions, and EM prices going up already.


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Obviously not saying that the EM is going to extinguish, but I can see people struggling with the new missions, and EM prices going up already.


What? People might struggle to do everything in the game all the time? Horror of unspeakable horrors!

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Sharnhorst wrote:
stuffybeary wrote:
A legion with combined 1m mining/hour should be ale to gather 550k e.m. daily give or take. Legion mission every 3 days gives 1.65m. Average legion mission takes 168k e.m. so they come out almost even if you get 10 people per mission.
That's around 20k mining per member. Increase the average mining by 10k and you get a surplus of 267k e.m daily
Figures for a 50 man legion.


Do you really think that's the average of each Legion in the game? or you talking about the top 10? A lot of people don't log more than once a day and have less than 20k mining production, or just cap mining too quick.

Also keep in mind 3 different missions require a considerable amount of purgers:

The Cerulean Conclave - Task 3: 100k EM / Task 2: purgers
The Ardyne Sabotage - Task 1: 320k EM / Task 3: purgers
The Xathe Vortex - Task 2: 120k EM / Task 3: purgers

Again - maybe I wasn't clear - this is not a personal concern... I have more than 6k purgers and 5m EM on cargo, and I plan to continue playing just as usual, but I think the costs are too high compared to previous missions.

Obviously not saying that the EM is going to extinguish, but I can see people struggling with the new missions, and EM prices going up already.


Then the task isn't for them.

The newer LM's have higher requirements that before, this suggests to me that they are once again aimed at those of a higher rank than the previous LM's were.

If they can't do a certain task or any of the tasks then they should sit out that lm and wait for one they can do instead.


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Sharnhorst wrote:
Obviously not saying that the EM is going to extinguish, but I can see people struggling with the new missions, and EM prices going up already.


What? People might struggle to do everything in the game all the time? Horror of unspeakable horrors!



Lol mate ;) You excel at the art of trolling ;p Can you tell me your IGN and legion name? just curious to see how well you know the game and all ...


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