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Image, merchant ships traveling from legion to legion with all their goods to sell/buy.


Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:50 am
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merchants can now make personal trade pacts with legions?

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Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:09 am
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so new profession? if so they dont need to be loyal to alert planets

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Image, merchant ships traveling from legion to legion with all their goods to sell/buy.


Personally I just use mutual friends who are pre-existing as middle men while returning the favor when needed and recently for the first time had to do a temp trade pact to make a deal, but that is one time in 3-4 months. I have never traveled to trade sendable arti, that to me is redundant to the whole reason for trading; which is optimizing ones progress. There are many options however, and though this is one of them, I think making a new profession solely to trade is a bit excessive. If they do that I think maybe make it an unlock-able race with the new profession attached to it so there is more then just the ability to trade with others gained. My two cents.

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i was just thinking adding it to the current merchant profession.
to make it suck slightly less

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i was just thinking adding it to the current merchant profession.
to make it suck slightly less


Profession? I think make it an option somewhere where you tick a box and become a 'merchant', if you remove it a 7 day cool-down is applied etc just to negate any possible abuse.

Give it a GP cost too, that would limit all abuse.

Have some benefits to being a 'merchant' as well.

Make hoping to legions less affected, like a selected home legion that they are always loyal too unless they choose another, so the 7 day wait for loyalty would apply to this as well.

I don't think planet shares etc should change as the trading of planets have not been affected. Its more the trading of send-able artifacts, EM, KU, CTP etc.

Really just throwing some thoughts out there.

One of the new legion base mods could be changed to allow 'merchant slots' ^.^ Magine?


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big -1 to any class which allows instant planet alerts..as with most things this lends itself to alt ahoy use and abuse...

loyalty should be earned, in real life and in game...planet alerts, for enemy should be a week..dont legion hop so much...people who do so are not helping anyone realllly...they lose bases and collections and the legions gain what exactly? perhaps a courier, but so what.... a temp slot to add 2% cloak and to give ctp to instead of building their base...

tbh i'd like less trading...go back to old days where you actually had to earn stuff yourself...now for em or ctp, both of which can be easily conveyed to anyone...you can buy whatever.....and people wonder why lsome people have so much and others so little...while you're at it...just make seeds tradable..that way alts and stupid people can give them away quicker and people can save invades and Gp on abandons..

To me , the trader ship is a scum bag only second to the super freeze rank ssb...

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big -1 to any class which allows instant planet alerts..as with most things this lends itself to alt ahoy use and abuse...

loyalty should be earned, in real life and in game...planet alerts, for enemy should be a week..dont legion hop so much...people who do so are not helping anyone realllly...they lose bases and collections and the legions gain what exactly? perhaps a courier, but so what.... a temp slot to add 2% cloak and to give ctp to instead of building their base...

tbh i'd like less trading...go back to old days where you actually had to earn stuff yourself...now for em or ctp, both of which can be easily conveyed to anyone...you can buy whatever.....and people wonder why lsome people have so much and others so little...while you're at it...just make seeds tradable..that way alts and stupid people can give them away quicker and people can save invades and Gp on abandons..

To me , the trader ship is a scum bag only second to the super freeze rank ssb...


You never had issues with traders before, and never been so green either. A lot has changed with you.

For your new sig "Juiceman"....

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lol, nice work...creative..+1

Actually i have always had an issue with traders and ssb's...I have just made exceptions for people I know personally.

Most traders I've seen are too transient to provide any long term help to a legion. There are some planet couriers, but most people simply fly over to collect their purchases. So what is the trader really doing? In theory they are attempting to gouge people at higher prices to collect em /ctp so they can eventually buy their own planets with the currency. That's fine, play how you like, but its not a huge benefit to anyone in any of those legions. Now a days with trade pages and if you are in a decent legion, you can pretty much ALWAYS find what you like and don't need people to fly over.

The ssb is a good concept, I have always said its a clever and strong play modality. My issue is two-fold....

1) the lack of any gameplay assistance the VAST majority of SSB provide to legion mates...and so many are greedy on shares, and demanding...i think i have the time in game to fairly say that with zero reservation

2) the eventual imbalance provided due to planet gifting, cheating, and collecting. The damage upscale FROM ssb to larger ships is a flip side of the older arrangement where a ship got blown up on a few hits. So pick your poison. For me, I don't like it. Limit/cap damage to the ssb..super cool...magnify the outbound damage due to ship scale..i call bs.

As far as changing my attitude. Assuming you mean in regards to you. I have always stood up for you, both in public and private--until very recently. I think you have a lot of potential in real life and some interesting ideas. But OMFG you take every slight to the x'th degree of unnecessary insult. You are too cock-sure and accept no good advice from others. Then you beat a dead horse till it becomes a zombie.

For me its a matter of energy, both intellectual and emotional to deal with any person. Once you cross the Rubicon of psychic landslide I tap out.

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lol, nice work...creative..+1

Actually i have always had an issue with traders and ssb's...I have just made exceptions for people I know personally.

Most traders I've seen are too transient to provide any long term help to a legion. There are some planet couriers, but most people simply fly over to collect their purchases. So what is the trader really doing? In theory they are attempting to gouge people at higher prices to collect em /ctp so they can eventually buy their own planets with the currency. That's fine, play how you like, but its not a huge benefit to anyone in any of those legions. Now a days with trade pages and if you are in a decent legion, you can pretty much ALWAYS find what you like and don't need people to fly over.

The ssb is a good concept, I have always said its a clever and strong play modality. My issue is two-fold....

1) the lack of any gameplay assistance the VAST majority of SSB provide to legion mates...and so many are greedy on shares, and demanding...i think i have the time in game to fairly say that with zero reservation

2) the eventual imbalance provided due to planet gifting, cheating, and collecting. The damage upscale FROM ssb to larger ships is a flip side of the older arrangement where a ship got blown up on a few hits. So pick your poison. For me, I don't like it. Limit/cap damage to the ssb..super cool...magnify the outbound damage due to ship scale..i call bs.

As far as changing my attitude. Assuming you mean in regards to you. I have always stood up for you, both in public and private--until very recently. I think you have a lot of potential in real life and some interesting ideas. But OMFG you take every slight to the x'th degree of unnecessary insult. You are too cock-sure and accept no good advice from others. Then you beat a dead horse till it becomes a zombie.

For me its a matter of energy, both intellectual and emotional to deal with any person. Once you cross the Rubicon of psychic landslide I tap out.

Cheers!


Thanks, was thinking Tang and then thought na....lets go with sour Kool-Aid instead, lol.

To say you give excepts to select merchants is a bit hypocritically self serving don't you think? I mean considering you, like most high levels, would be down for any trader selling a planet you like at a price you like and ones selling melters/seeds/crystalizers/QSEs/RTs and so on are almost always "welcomed" if the price is good unless there is massive Blue Ox sized beef. As for the what do they add, well even if they are a regular planet dealer, or dealer of none send-able arti, who is transient most the time they offer personal trade connects, if they are good at trading they should offer a legion stash of LM, mission, PvP, NPC and other types of arti to help the legion progress plus more. Now I do agree those who do planet trades, or trades requiring travel, but do not bundle them to 1-3 times a year make it likely harder on a legion since they will indeed regularly be down a player for LMs, bases, etc. which is why I am more then happy to pass on a deal if I can not bundle a large enough deal at the moment of trade or have them come to me.

You say in theory, but how about in application? I buy and sell within market range, as many traders no matter if they are a buyer, seller or both do, and I have bought and sold to all rank ranges from under 100 doing small deals to ranks WELL above 1.2K. Sometimes ranks of all levels want something they are short on or just do not have for whatever reason it might be. To go around buying excess stock from players within market value then selling it to players seeking it within that very same market value is not gouging...it is not even hiking the price up, it is trading. Now the day ALL players have all they ever need or a set of players decide to make the Galactic UNICEF to hand out supplies and rations trading will be dead/done. Until such a day though good traders make the game easier and in many cases funner for many players.

No real comment on SSB except I always did found it a odd concept when it comes to how it limits a player, especially scan, just for the one benefit of reduced damage cap but if that is their end game then cool. It just means my planets need less cloak to be safe from them, lol.

Lastly, no I did not mean with just me. I simply meant period, you are much different then when I first met you in TWH, from talking about how you did not like their Nazi like dictatorship and fighting for multiple of your fellow legions mates to now bashing on traders while still accepting them with open arms just so long they serve your needs at the time.

P.S "Now a days with trade pages and if you are in a decent legion, you can pretty much ALWAYS find what you like and don't need people to fly over."....hmmmm, not sure if that last part was serious or a joke since people from TRADE pages are actual people trading that, if you want a planet, melter or other none sendable item, "fly over" to trade with you.

EDIT IN: Oh, almost forgot. Happy Fathers day, hope you and your family are doing better. This is a genuine add-on in case anyone who does not know me well enough thinks it is some type of jab.

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Trading could be fixed without all the above by a couple simple changes:
1. Charge 10% for every trade when it's posted, regardless of whether it gets sold. That'll eliminate the overpriced garbage that gets reposted 100x.
2. Bump up numbers from 100 to 1000. I have 3k of many items, I'm not going to post 30x to get rid of them.


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Trading could be fixed without all the above by a couple simple changes:
1. Charge 10% for every trade when it's posted, regardless of whether it gets sold. That'll eliminate the overpriced garbage that gets reposted 100x.
2. Bump up numbers from 100 to 1000. I have 3k of many items, I'm not going to post 30x to get rid of them.

Kinda irrelevant now...


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