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Author:  Vampirian [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:29 pm ]
Post subject:  PVP
THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOME REALITY IN PVP,,,THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS I HAVE NOTICED BUT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS THE DEFENSE TO TRAP CRAP. FOR EXAMPLE: A GUY THAT HAS WORKED HIS BUT OFF AND NPC ALOT, BUILT HIS SHIP UP, HAS MAYBE 500, 1000, 1500, DEFENSE,,,HE IS FEELIN GOOD RITE? HE IS THINKING HE MADE HIS SHIP STRONGER AND WILL BE REWARDED FOR THAT WHEN BATTLE COMES RIGHT? ....WRONG....HE THEN COMES ACROSS A PLAYER ON HIS BATTLE TAB THAT IS AROUND HIS RANK, MAYBE LOWER, MAYBE HIGHER, AND...HE HAS A """15""" THATS RIGHT ...."""15""" DEFENSE AND GETS CAUGHT IN A HALYCON KIONUS OR OMICRON...ETC....THIS IS AN EXTREME FLAW IN AN OTHERWISE VERY FUN AND EXCITING GAME THAT I SEE COULD GROW AND BECOME HUGE. EMPHATIC SUGGESTION.....WHY NOT MAKE IT TO WHERE IF THE DEFENCE IS LOW, THEN THE TRAP CATCHING IS ALSO AS LOW AS THE DEFENCE!!! IN MY OPINION THERE IS MORE REALITY TO THIS BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN THATS LIKE SAYING (USING STAR TREK ANALOGY) OK WE ARE GONA TAKE THE CARGO SHIP OFF THE ENTERPRIZE AND GO EXPORE...AND OH BY THE WAY IF WE RUN ACROSS THE SIMITAR (THE SHIP IN START TREK NEMESIS THAT HAD TONS OF GUNS WEAPONS CLOAK AND DEFENSE AND WAS A HUGE WARBIRD) NOT TO WORRY EVEN THOUGH WE DOWNSIZED OUR SHIP WE WILL JUST THROW A TRAP OVER THEM AND BE OK...%&^*#!!!! THERE IS NO WAY A SIP WITH THAT LITTLE DEFENCE COULD EVER DO THAT TO A WARBIRD SUCH AS THE SIMITAR AND WHEN PLAYERS DOWNSIZE THEIR DEFENCE ON THEIR SHIPS, IN MY OPINION THEIR TRAP CATCHING ABILITY SHOULD BE DOWNSIZED RIGHT ALONG WITH IT! MORE PVP THOUGHT TO COME LATER 8-)
Author:  KarlLitos [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Don't read all I hate CAPS ABUSE.
Author:  John Falls [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
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Author:  Vampirian [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
AND YES I DID USE CAPS LOCK AND DIDNT THINK MUCH OF IT SO IF U DONT WANA READ BECAUSE OF THAT, IM ALL OUT OF HANKERCHIFS
Author:  Ruairi [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
While I'm surprised to have read this because of the caps, have you even though about what you're suggesting?

Changing the chances of spring traps to a system based on the defender's defense is an awful idea. As it is now, a trap will stop a player of any size.

Changing this so a lower defense equates to a lower chance of springing a trap nerfs traps for small (read newer) ships and increases the effectiveness of traps for big ships.

Making this change screws over low ranks and only helps to make higher ranks even harder for a small ship to disable. It's unbalancing.

<rant> Also, if you're coming to a public forum, at least adhere to commonly accepted etiquette. Caps lock is literally one of the quickest ways to piss people off. Myself included. </rant>
Author:  Plamok [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
There is the Stryll trap probe.

Store up on them.

Quote:
Also, if you're coming to a public forum, at least adhere to commonly accepted etiquette. Caps lock is literally one of the quickest ways to piss people off. Myself included.


caps amount to yelling in netiquette.

Plamok
Author:  FerrusManus [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Plamok wrote:
There is the Stryll trap probe.

Store up on them.

Quote:
Also, if you're coming to a public forum, at least adhere to commonly accepted etiquette. Caps lock is literally one of the quickest ways to piss people off. Myself included.


caps amount to yelling in netiquette.

Plamok


Also a Null Fuse, which would help.
Author:  Ruairi [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Plamok wrote:
There is the Stryll trap probe.

Store up on them.

Quote:
Also, if you're coming to a public forum, at least adhere to commonly accepted etiquette. Caps lock is literally one of the quickest ways to piss people off. Myself included.


caps amount to yelling in netiquette.

Plamok


I'm aware of this. Which is why it is annoying both to read and to interpret a message such as this.
Author:  Plamok [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
I'm sure you are.
Just added my 2 cents.

Plamok
Author:  sgtlynch [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
please VAMP please do not use caps lock all the time, its like me writing like: this
it just pisses people off and making traps affected by defense would piss people off even more cause they have to wast even more space on defense.. im sure yo ass got saved by traps more than once so well i say -1 leave it the way it is.
Author:  Vekno [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
my suggestion is put everything you have in defense into weapons. that way you have a better chance of disabling the guy before you set a trap off. it has worked for me many times. plus i get android helmsman often, so theres no point in wasting space on defense modules until your leveling speed passes your research speed.

and as for traps, theyre already screwed up enough. honestly it would be better off if null fuses were removed from the game, and halcs went back to affecting npcs. but thats besides the point. be happy the game allows you to automatically remove any trap effect instantly from your ship at any time with the use of an artifact, and that you have diplomatic immunity while you blast npcs to hell.
Author:  Vampirian [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
boy , just what I thought, whining, first of of in response to caps locks, ***** there are the children passified now?

second , in reponse to Ruiairi:

bro, so u want a low rank to be able to face off a high easily with a trap, this is called the no B8lls method, it sounds like u can't handle the fact that u have to start somewhere and players that have the bigger better ship should have an achillies heel just so anyone who pops on the game can do something,,, so ur message sends a clear message of the kind of player you are which unfortunately is all too common, u dont wana earn crap u want it handed to you,,,bigger ships need legion help which is the way it should be, NOT a low rank have a trap on a high in a one on one, it makes zero sense.


In Response to Sgtlynch:

bro, Defense is never a waste number one, and number 2 i dont whine about bigger ships, and 3 it sounds to me like you are projecting because you got your a** handed to you without them, and also, u should learn not to talk and call other legion members out in public, if i have to expain it to you then look me up.
Author:  Vampirian [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
response to Vekno:

thannks for the input, again i never think that space for defence is a waste, i have heard that before and all i can say is lets see that players kills and their kill to battle ratio...the proof is in the pudding so to speak, feel free to look at mine anytime,,, in real space a small cargo ship could never put a trap over a defenced weponed, cloaked out warbird...period. If the ship is big then u need other ships from ur legion to help take it down as thats how it even works in star trek or star wars for that matter.
Author:  Ruairi [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Vampirian wrote:
boy , just what I thought, whining, first of of in response to caps locks, ***** there are the children passified now?

second , in reponse to Ruiairi:

bro, so u want a low rank to be able to face off a high easily with a trap, this is called the no B8lls method, it sounds like u can't handle the fact that u have to start somewhere and players that have the bigger better ship should have an achillies heel just so anyone who pops on the game can do something,,, so ur message sends a clear message of the kind of player you are which unfortunately is all too common, u dont wana earn crap u want it handed to you,,,bigger ships need legion help which is the way it should be, NOT a low rank have a trap on a high in a one on one, it makes zero sense.


In Response to Sgtlynch:

bro, Defense is never a waste number one, and number 2 i dont whine about bigger ships, and 3 it sounds to me like you are projecting because you got your a** handed to you without them, and also, u should learn not to talk and call other legion members out in public, if i have to expain it to you then look me up.




No. You have it backward actually. I am a high rank. So this is coming from the perspective that I don't want new people to be ganged up on more so than they already are. It's bad for the developement of the game if anyone who starts an account quits a week later because of being farmed by higher ups.

I won't disagree, it makes some sense, but it's completely unbalancing. Even with traps, a low rank won't be able to face off against a high rank, but without traps, a low rank doesn't even have the minimal amount of protection they offer. I don't care how much this sounds like a good idea in your head, it's unbalancing, plain and simple.

Don't call me bro.
Author:  Vampirian [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Ruairi wrote:
Vampirian wrote:
boy , just what I thought, whining, first of of in response to caps locks, ***** there are the children passified now?

second , in reponse to Ruiairi:

bro, so u want a low rank to be able to face off a high easily with a trap, this is called the no B8lls method, it sounds like u can't handle the fact that u have to start somewhere and players that have the bigger better ship should have an achillies heel just so anyone who pops on the game can do something,,, so ur message sends a clear message of the kind of player you are which unfortunately is all too common, u dont wana earn crap u want it handed to you,,,bigger ships need legion help which is the way it should be, NOT a low rank have a trap on a high in a one on one, it makes zero sense.


In Response to Sgtlynch:

bro, Defense is never a waste number one, and number 2 i dont whine about bigger ships, and 3 it sounds to me like you are projecting because you got your a** handed to you without them, and also, u should learn not to talk and call other legion members out in public, if i have to expain it to you then look me up.




No. You have it backward actually. I am a high rank. So this is coming from the perspective that I don't want new people to be ganged up on more so than they already are. It's bad for the developement of the game if anyone who starts an account quits a week later because of being farmed by higher ups.

I won't disagree, it makes some sense, but it's completely unbalancing. Even with traps, a low rank won't be able to face off against a high rank, but without traps, a low rank doesn't even have the minimal amount of protection they offer. I don't care how much this sounds like a good idea in your head, it's unbalancing, plain and simple.

Don't call me bro.


well bro, maybe the handicap is that they have a beginner protection time like most other games do,,,that way they can get built a little,,,and even though you are responding apparently you are not reading , if you wana make the game unrealistic and have a hold your hand fantasy world, well maybe you needed that when you started but if the game is to become more realistic scenarios, a defense to trap ratio is COMMON SENSE so please excuse me if i assumed most people had that. my mistake
Author:  sgtlynch [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Vampirian wrote:
In Response to Sgtlynch:

bro, Defense is never a waste number one, and number 2 i dont whine about bigger ships, and 3 it sounds to me like you are projecting because you got your a** handed to you without them, and also, u should learn not to talk and call other legion members out in public, if i have to expain it to you then look me up.

im not calling you out, what i AM ding is saying what i think of this idea, i can and will post on threads i am intereased in. and rauri is right if i was a low rank (1-30 or so) and was constantly farmed by high ranks i would probly just give up.
however a trap could be added that had a chance to do a whole lot of differant effects... the higher your rank the better the effect.
Author:  Ruairi [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Clearly you don't see the irony in making a realistic fantasy game... While realism can make games like this interesting, too much realism ruins it. If this game were an entirely 'realistic' space fantasy game, your ship wouldn't even be able to dent my hull, but because it's not more realistic, you might have a chance.

Oh wait, if your suggestion was implemented, you likely wouldn't even have a chance because if you got through my traps, which would likely spring all the time due to high defense, you wouldn't be able to do anything about it because I am already stronger.

Giving higher up players more trap defense, especially compared to lower ranks, only serves to make the already strong even stronger.

I'm not disagreeing with you, a defense to trap tripping ratio does make sense, but it is unbalancing to the point of being more than unfair to lower ranks.
Author:  Vampirian [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Ruairi wrote:
Clearly you don't see the irony in making a realistic fantasy game... While realism can make games like this interesting, too much realism ruins it. If this game were an entirely 'realistic' space fantasy game, your ship wouldn't even be able to dent my hull, but because it's not more realistic, you might have a chance.

Oh wait, if your suggestion was implemented, you likely wouldn't even have a chance because if you got through my traps, which would likely spring all the time due to high defense, you wouldn't be able to do anything about it because I am already stronger.

Giving higher up players more trap defense, especially compared to lower ranks, only serves to make the already strong even stronger.

I'm not disagreeing with you, a defense to trap tripping ratio does make sense, but it is unbalancing to the point of being more than unfair to lower ranks.



and shocker u made it all about you and your big bad ship,,,this too is common, getting defensive and taking it personally,,,this game sure does have its laughs,,, so i will play along,,,first off my ship at my rank is far better than yours was where im at,,second,, i have more kills than you or ANY SIZE SHIP in the whole game, and 3rd it sounds like u need some attension so thats why i decided to play one up with you...:) enjoy and have fun...bro
Author:  Ruairi [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
That's fine. Skirt around your initial flawed idea to point out things that lack relevance or truth. Have fun coming up with more crappy ideas.

Edit, no, you don't have better techs now than I did at your rank.
Author:  Vampirian [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PVP
Ruairi wrote:
That's fine. Skirt around your initial flawed idea to point out things that lack relevance or truth. Have fun coming up with more crappy ideas.

Edit, no, you don't have better techs now than I did at your rank.


and i take it your a have the last word guy too..lmao sooo typical well you made me laugh alot bro, and as i was informed by people higher and better than you,,,that people who come to the forum to flex their chest and talk smack are...sad....so have the last word bro like i said your obviously extremely insecure and need the attn...goodluck...you have hope,,, even rainman wins :mrgreen:
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