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DaChickenLady
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Posts: 27
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I don't know if this is technically feasible but I would love to see players with the same IP address in the same legion show up in red or be highlighted in some other way. This will help other legions to identify cheaters and also help innocent legions to kick cheaters out.
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:06 am |
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xXxEccoxXx
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:13 pm Posts: 291 Location: Somewhere off the coast of Dominican Republic
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+1, i agree, multis kill games and its unfair that the legion in question gets the blame, even if they are unaware of it.
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:33 am |
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Vekno
Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:48 am Posts: 3900
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there is a game called cyber nations that is very good about stopping multis. all ip addresses are recorded so that multiple accounts cannot be made from the same computer, and if more than one account logs in from the same ip address then those accounts are restricted from trading in any way. for this game it would be no planet sharing, no resource sending, etc. that game imo has the best anti-cheater security ive ever seen.
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:03 am |
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KarlLitos
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:26 pm Posts: 343
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Vekno wrote: there is a game called cyber nations that is very good about stopping multis. all ip addresses are recorded so that multiple accounts cannot be made from the same computer, and if more than one account logs in from the same ip address then those accounts are restricted from trading in any way. for this game it would be no planet sharing, no resource sending, etc. that game imo has the best anti-cheater security ive ever seen. This way is good when you have Static IP, but really sux with Dynamic IP. And more people have dynamic IP address.
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:24 pm |
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DaChickenLady
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Posts: 27
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Not sure I understand. Wouldn't most multi-accounters be logged in with their accounts at the same time, and therefore show the same IP address even with dynamic IP?
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:04 pm |
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KarlLitos
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:26 pm Posts: 343
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If we add IP adresse to every action do in the game in a log file. Yes we will be able to find multi-account.
But we need GameMaster team to hunt Multi-Account, and update the database to store IP Adresse on all action. If they log not exist now, will be hard to create from scrath.
For this, I Think only Dan can anwser this question.
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:52 pm |
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vladd13
Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:05 pm Posts: 943
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Not really feasible to use the ip as a way to detect multis , people have room mates and they will sometimes use the same hispeed connection on a router there fore the only ip seen is the one for the router not all the machines in the house . why should we penalize people who share a apt or house by eliminating sharing between them because they have same ip ?
also even if there is one machine some peeps take turns at computer with same scenario for connection this would eleminate them from being able to share or alert as well .
I happen to know theres atleast 2 husbands and wifes who fit both of these scenarios
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:15 pm |
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sgtlynch
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:38 pm Posts: 1300 Location: BattleStar Dysonia
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DaChickenLady wrote: I don't know if this is technically feasible but I would love to see players with the same IP address in the same legion show up in red or be highlighted in some other way. This will help other legions to identify cheaters and also help innocent legions to kick cheaters out. some people use other accounts as spies in other legions so in the same legion wouldnt work.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:45 am |
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DaChickenLady
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Posts: 27
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I did not propose this as a be-all-and-end-all solution. Of course there are legitimate players sharing IP addresses and of course some multi-accounts are not in the same legion. Highlighting players in the same legion with the same IP address will simply make it easier to identify potential multi-accounters.
Many multi-accounters have more than two accounts and quite a few multi-accounters have multiple accounts in the same legion and play them simultaneously. If you look at a legion's member list and it's lit up like a X'mas tree or the Las Vegas strip, then it makes sense to poke around a little.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:57 am |
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KarlLitos
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:26 pm Posts: 343
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A human (not a computer) can easy do difference between 2 roomate have 2 account different sharing the same IP and a single guy have n accounts.
Just imagine A_noob_1, A_noob_2, A_noob_3, .... Easy to know is a multi.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:44 am |
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sgtlynch
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:38 pm Posts: 1300 Location: BattleStar Dysonia
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DaChickenLady wrote: I did not propose this as a be-all-and-end-all solution. Of course there are legitimate players sharing IP addresses and of course some multi-accounts are not in the same legion. Highlighting players in the same legion with the same IP address will simply make it easier to identify potential multi-accounters.
Many multi-accounters have more than two accounts and quite a few multi-accounters have multiple accounts in the same legion and play them simultaneously. If you look at a legion's member list and it's lit up like a X'mas tree or the Las Vegas strip, then it makes sense to poke around a little. 3 members of my family/close friends play this game... i know all of thier passwords and often clear out thier accounts at the same time, untill the recent merging of PA and UI 2 of us were in the same legion so this could punish honest players so... would have to be very careful with this.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:34 am |
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DaChickenLady
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Posts: 27
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sgtlynch wrote: 3 members of my family/close friends play this game... i know all of thier passwords and often clear out thier accounts at the same time, untill the recent merging of PA and UI 2 of us were in the same legion so this could punish honest players so... would have to be very careful with this. Mmmmm, not sure what you meant by you often clear out their accounts at the same time, but I am all for being careful with this.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:15 am |
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Darth Flagitious
Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 8964
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I think he means cashing in M/A/R.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:24 am |
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FuriousRage
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:12 pm Posts: 909
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Darth Flagitious wrote: I think he means cashing in M/A/R. Sounds like muti-accounting to me... oh yeah.. my brothers sistes niece has an account and my long lost brother 15th removed also has an account, we all live in the same hour and got the same ip....
/irony..
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:08 pm |
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cris.litvin
Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:17 pm Posts: 6
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My whole office has the same IP. So technically if everyone in my office was playing there would be hundreds of ppl with the same IP. I fail to see how IP has anything to do with multi accounts.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:27 pm |
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2Rusty
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:30 pm Posts: 29
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The problem is that all NAT:ed connections show the same IP for all computers behind the NAT-router. Many companies (as mentioned in a previous post) have this kind of connections and I know that also most of the Internet Cafés use NAT:ed connections. This means that if I meet friends at e.g. McDonald's and we use their free WiFi to connect to Internet and play Galaxy Legion, all will show the same IP adress.
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:28 pm |
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DaChickenLady
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Posts: 27
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Well, sgtlynch, if you did mean you were using other people's accounts to play GL for them, then you were cheating. If those people knew what you were doing and consented, then they, too, were cheating.
As for cris.litvin and 2Rusty's scenarios? Right. OK. Uh huh.
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:23 am |
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Vekno
Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:48 am Posts: 3900
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DaChickenLady wrote: Well, sgtlynch, if you did mean you were using other people's accounts to play GL for them, then you were cheating. If those people knew what you were doing and consented, then they, too, were cheating. wellll..... im not entirely sure i agree... if he JUST unloaded artifact, mineral, and research for them when they were unable, thats one thing. i know i would appreciate it if i was on vacation and someone unloaded my stuff. however, the second he used the accounts for storage or artifact farming, then he should be hunted down and destroyed.
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:34 am |
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DaChickenLady
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Posts: 27
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There are capacity limitations in this game for a reason. I don't know about you, but I have lost out on minerals and artifacts because I didn't manage to redeem the points before the capacity limits were reached. I also know someone who is in a bind because his production levels are such that they fill up in fewer hours than he usually sleeps during the night.
As far as I know, this game is not designed to have different people share the same account to play. The way I see it, this is akin to a parent "helping" a child do homework when the child is sleeping. The child gets undeserved credit and has an unfair advantage over classmates.
sgtlynch even described himself as doing this often. This is not multi-accounting. In fact, this is the reverse of multi-accounting. It's still not kosher, though.
If this is not cheating, then what else is not cheating?
If his roommate is asleep and sgtlynch sees that his roommate's ship is under attack or one of his roommate's planet is under invasion and sgtlynch decides to fight back and do repairs using the roommate's account, is that cheating? I'm sure the roommate would appreciate it and sgtlynch's own GL account might not be profiting from this.
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:51 am |
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Vekno
Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:48 am Posts: 3900
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honestly as far as im concerned, as long as each account is played individually, and no other account is profiting, then its ok in my eyes.
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